Pats Possibly Caught Cheating...Again

[bigb]

Does anybody know how the balls are used during the game? Do both teams footballs get mixed together or does each team use their own balls during their offensive possession?

The answer to that would to a certain degree put my theory in jeopardy.

There's a local radio personality here that played in the NFL for a couple years. He says there are a few designated "kicking balls" that are used for nothing else. Each team has their own set of regular use balls on their sideline.



When it comes down to it, this had ZERO impact on the outcome of the game.

 

[Stoked]

yeah, now that your post got a buncha traction in a busier forum. and only after gettin called out.
yet my post gets moved before anyone can even reply.
thats just how it goes round here tho. i aint mad. gotten used to the aristo mods steppin all over us peon peasants.

Good, as long as you know your place.

 

[carolinajazz]

....well, Belichick and Brady deny both the allegation.....and the alligator! Case closed!

 

[Nate505]

....well, Belichick and Brady deny both the allegation.....and the alligator! Case closed!

Case closed....hahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[gregbroncs]

Does anybody know how the balls are used during the game? Do both teams footballs get mixed together or does each team use their own balls during their offensive possession?

The answer to that would to a certain degree put my theory in jeopardy.

According to John Beck on the radio each team has their own balls during their offensive possession. They don't get mixed and he actually complained to the ref when the accidently used another teams ball during one of their plays.

 

[candrew]

Great study with some cool graphs on The Patriots fumbles lost statistics at compared to the rest of the league.

https://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/ballghazi_the_new_england_patriots_lose_an_insanely_low_number_of_fumbles.html

The league average is 105 plays per fumbles lost. The Patriots run an 187 plays per fumbles lost and did not lose a fumble at home ALL season. Considering they play most of their home games in cold weather conditions - this number is astonishing. No other "non-dome" team comes even close to them

Based on the assumption that fumbles per play follow a normal distribution, you’d expect to see, according to random fluctuation, the results that the Patriots have gotten over this period, once in 16,233.77 instances.
Which in layman’s terms means that this result only being a coincidence, is like winning a raffle where you have a 0.0000616 probability to win. [In] other words, it’s very unlikely that it’s a coincidence.

Of course statistics don't take into account that Belichick has zero tolerance for fumblers and iss notorious for benching and even cutting players who fumble the football. Steven Ridley went from a 1000 yard/10+ touchdown RB to permanent exile because he couldn't hold on to the football. But NE's numbers are just too good to be true.

 

[zbone]

So what happens if they win the Super Bowl and then found guilty cheating? Do they get stripped of the championship or what?

 

[fishonjazz]

I think the whole psi thing is a dumb rule anyway.

Nfl should just let each team deflate or inflate the ball however they want too.
If you let both teams be in control of ball inflation then it's fair and even and no team has an advantage.

If a team wants thier ball at 3 psi why not let them? Good luck throwing a tight spiral or a deep ball.

 

[♪alt13]

I think the whole psi thing is a dumb rule anyway.

Nfl should just let each team deflate or inflate the ball however they want too.
If you let both teams be in control of ball inflation then it's fair and even and no team has an advantage.

If a team wants thier ball at 3 psi why not let them? Good luck throwing a tight spiral or a deep ball.

Or they could just use the same ball/balls.

 

[fishonjazz]

Or they could just use the same ball/balls.

That too, which is what I suggested in my first post in this thread.

Having separate balls for each team is almost life the nfl was just asking teams to cheat.

 

[♪alt13]

That too, which is what I suggested in my first post in this thread.

Having separate balls for each team is almost life the nfl was just asking teams to cheat.

Yeah I remembered that somebody posted that. Didn't remember who it was.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

I think the whole psi thing is a dumb rule anyway.

Nfl should just let each team deflate or inflate the ball however they want too.
If you let both teams be in control of ball inflation then it's fair and even and no team has an advantage.

If a team wants thier ball at 3 psi why not let them? Good luck throwing a tight spiral or a deep ball.

I totally agree.

 

[colton]

I think the whole psi thing is a dumb rule anyway.

Nfl should just let each team deflate or inflate the ball however they want too.
If you let both teams be in control of ball inflation then it's fair and even and no team has an advantage.

If a team wants thier ball at 3 psi why not let them? Good luck throwing a tight spiral or a deep ball.

+1

 

[Hotdog]

I think the whole psi thing is a dumb rule anyway.

Nfl should just let each team deflate or inflate the ball however they want too.
If you let both teams be in control of ball inflation then it's fair and even and no team has an advantage.

If a team wants thier ball at 3 psi why not let them? Good luck throwing a tight spiral or a deep ball.

I was gonna post this too.


It seems the rule is I'm place to force more exciting action into the games
The NFL probably wants more fumbles. Why else would you care?

 

[LogGrad98]

Fish nailed it on this one.

Also, is it really that much of an advantage to have the ball at a different PSI? Trying to remember back to my high school playing days, although I didn't handle the ball that much unless the QB dropped it off to me at tight end on a broken play or I picked one up on special teams, but I didn't ever even think about whether or not the ball was inflated properly.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I think the whole psi thing is a dumb rule anyway.

Nfl should just let each team deflate or inflate the ball however they want too.
If you let both teams be in control of ball inflation then it's fair and even and no team has an advantage.

If a team wants thier ball at 3 psi why not let them? Good luck throwing a tight spiral or a deep ball.

Never have fumbles again. On running plays that ball is deflated enough to squish it tight enough there is no way its coming out. Plus it would add more crazy one handed catches. Maybe the ball is flat enough the can do some cool trick plays where they fold it up since it is all the way flat and try and hide the ball. We would get some new records in FGs. Less accurate but you over inflate the balls and you can put some distance on them when kicking. I think cold weather/ non-dome teams would really like this rule change.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Personally dont care about the inflation thing. It does represent that the organization does anything to win and does not care about the rules. If caught for this I think it means they have cheated in a bunch of ways and have not been caught for most of it. Even if not caught I think they did this and will just get away with it since there is no definitive proof besides that it happened, they dont know how.

 

[homeytennis]

Personally dont care about the inflation thing. It does represent that the organization does anything to win and does not care about the rules. If caught for this I think it means they have cheated in a bunch of ways and have not been caught for most of it. Even if not caught I think they did this and will just get away with it since there is no definitive proof besides that it happened, they dont know how.

The Steelers running back didn't fumble all year. Does that mean Big Ben was doctoring the balls?

 

[Ron Mexico]

The Steelers running back didn't fumble all year. Does that mean Big Ben was doctoring the balls?

Not fumbling does not mean the balls were tampered with but it is a possibility. Correlation is not causation right?

Also I dont think any team or player is dumb enough to tamper with the balls themselves. It is a ball boy or equiment manager or someone else "acting independently" who changes the psi or tampers with the ball in anyway. USC got in trouble for the same thing as the Pats when they played Oregon a couple years ago and they got a small fine and the ball boy took the heat and was let go.

 

[fishonjazz]

I heard the Vikings got in trouble this season for messing with the footballs in some way. (I don't know what exactly they did)