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str8line said:
Count me in on the tankathon. I think it's way more important for this team to get the best chance at a better draft pick than to get playoff experience. This is ALL about getting better players to surround Don and Rudy. The present means nothing.
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I think the tank mode attitude is wrong. Do you want Donovan for a long time? Or Rudy for that matter? We probably shouldn’t be an organization trying to lose. Exum is still an important price to this puzzle if he can come in and stay healthy. Exum was good in summer league this year and even better than Mitchell at times, and I love Mitchell. The Jazz definetly need to make moves but there’s plenty of busts on draft picks 1-10, and there’s plemty of gems lower in the draft every year. It’s all hit and miss. Hinging your future on draft picks just isn’t a great way to do things for many reasons IMO. I think the Jazz need to do their best to win this season. It’s Dennis Lyndsey’s job to make some moves to improve this team. You have Donovan and Rudy, and I still hold out hope for Exum. It’s hard to put a great team together, let alone tanking to create one from the draft.
 
oneye said:
I think the tank mode attitude is wrong. Do you want Donovan for a long time? Or Rudy for that matter? We probably shouldn’t be an organization trying to lose. Exum is still an important price to this puzzle if he can come in and stay healthy. Exum was good in summer league this year and even better than Mitchell at times, and I love Mitchell. The Jazz definetly need to make moves but there’s plenty of busts on draft picks 1-10, and there’s plemty of gems lower in the draft every year. It’s all hit and miss. Hinging your future on draft picks just isn’t a great way to do things for many reasons IMO. I think the Jazz need to do their best to win this season. It’s Dennis Lyndsey’s job to make some moves to improve this team. You have Donovan and Rudy, and I still hold out hope for Exum. It’s hard to put a great team together, let alone tanking to create one from the draft.
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I love the "winning organizations don't tank narrative". It damages players long-term, ruins organizations, blah, blah, blah.

San Antonio absolutely held out David Robinson in a tanking move that netted them Tim Duncan and setup a huge winning dynasty. GSW admitted to tanking, they didn't need to... it was obvious, in the year they screwed the Jazz and got Harrison Barnes... They seem to be doing okay.

I don't think you do it as openly as Philly did, but tanking works... not all the time, but no team building strategy works every time. It takes luck and timing.
 
The Spurs and Warriors both tanked. And they both got great players because of it. However, they had significant injuries to deal with on pretty thin rosters. We haven't lost our All-NBA caliber player for the year like San Antonio lost Robinson (pretty much lost for the whole year) or Golden State (who had to let Curry get his feet/ankles right).

DL built this team to make the playoffs. It was done as a blank you to Hayward. He went out and added a bunch of decent veterans who give us too much depth to lose on purpose. Had we gotten younger guys who wanted to make a name for themselves first and win eventually, we could "tank" due to the Exum and Gobert injuries.

Now that we have Mitchell, I hate the idea of losing on purpose. He does everything the right way so we should do the right thing by him. You can tell the kid is the ultimate competitor. Don't waste that. Making a playoff push this year could pay massive dividends down the road.

The only thing we need/have to do is create assets with guys who don't fit around Mitchell and Gobert long term. Trading Favors isn't tanking. Trading Favors is not letting an asset go to waste. Maybe the same could be said for Joe Johnson should he have any trade value.
 
LoPo said:
The Spurs and Warriors both tanked. And they both got great players because of it. However, they had significant injuries to deal with on pretty thin rosters. We haven't lost our All-NBA caliber player for the year like San Antonio lost Robinson (pretty much lost for the whole year) or Golden State (who had to let Curry get his feet/ankles right).

DL built this team to make the playoffs. It was done as a blank you to Hayward. He went out and added a bunch of decent veterans who give us too much depth to lose on purpose. Had we gotten younger guys who wanted to make a name for themselves first and win eventually, we could "tank" due to the Exum and Gobert injuries.

Now that we have Mitchell, I hate the idea of losing on purpose. He does everything the right way so we should do the right thing by him. You can tell the kid is the ultimate competitor. Don't waste that. Making a playoff push this year could pay massive dividends down the road.

The only thing we need/have to do is create assets with guys who don't fit around Mitchell and Gobert long term. Trading Favors isn't tanking. Trading Favors is not letting an asset go to waste. Maybe the same could be said for Joe Johnson should he have any trade value.
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You are underselling the GSW tank. Both teams could have brought their stars back and opted to keep them out all year. GSW pulled straight shenanigans. Dominic McGuire was their starting PG... d league scrubs getting 40 minutes a night. They tanked harddddddddd!
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
You are underselling the GSW tank. Both teams could have brought their stars back and opted to keep them out all year. GSW pulled straight shenanigans. Dominic McGuire was their starting PG... d league scrubs getting 40 minutes a night. They tanked harddddddddd!
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Oh, they definitely tanked hard. They tanked really hard. But remember, they drafted Barnes and Green after the tank. It's not like hobbled Curry (who only played 23 games that year) and Harrison Barnes (a rookie who averaged only 12.5ppg that year) could make them that good.

Compare that to us this year. It's barely January, and Gobert has already played 18 games despite his 2 injuries. And Mitchell is averaging 18.2ppg. If you consider our more established roster (Rubio, Ingles, Favors, etc), it would be really, really hard and very blatant if we tanked.
 
So for the non-tankers, i.e., real fans... This game is huge tonight! Jazz can make up an entire game on 8th place and start their climb back into the playoff hunt. Let's hope they come out focused and energized like they did against Cleveland.
 
DasJazz said:
So for the non-tankers, i.e., real fans... This game is huge tonight! Jazz can make up an entire game on 8th place and start their climb back into the playoff hunt. Let's hope they come out focused and energized like they did against Cleveland.
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Really?!? I don't root for losses during the game, but long term it'd be better for the team I am a fan of to have a very high lottery pick to add to our promising good young players. But yeah lets sell out for the 8th seed.
 
LoPo said:
Oh, they definitely tanked hard. They tanked really hard. But remember, they drafted Barnes and Green after the tank. It's not like hobbled Curry (who only played 23 games that year) and Harrison Barnes (a rookie who averaged only 12.5ppg that year) could make them that good.

Compare that to us this year. It's barely January, and Gobert has already played 18 games despite his 2 injuries. And Mitchell is averaging 18.2ppg. If you consider our more established roster (Rubio, Ingles, Favors, etc), it would be really, really hard and very blatant if we tanked.
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Barnes started for a championship team on a rookie deal... helped them not use their cap space on filling that need. Keeping that powder dry helped them land Kevin Durant.

My point is Curry and Thompson were not irreparable damaged by having a team actively lose games.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Really?!? I don't root for losses during the game, but long term it'd be better for the team I am a fan of to have a very high lottery pick to add to our promising good young players. But yeah lets sell out for the 8th seed.
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8th seed is just the beginning, I see the Jazz finishing about 5th or so this year. Speaking of selling out, that's what a tank is my friend.
 
DasJazz said:
8th seed is just the beginning, I see the Jazz finishing about 5th or so this year. Speaking of selling out, that's what a tank is my friend.
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Kewl... I mean watching basically every game since I was 8-9, but acknowledging it may be in our best interest to forego some minor winning this year to win more in the future and build something bigger makes me a fake fan.

You can disagree with the tank but that is not the line of demarcation of what a real fan is...
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Kewl... I mean watching basically every game since I was 8-9, but acknowledging it may be in our best interest to forego some minor winning this year to win more in the future and build something bigger makes me a fake fan.

You can disagree with the tank but that is not the line of demarcation of what a real fan is...
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Agree to disagree then. It does no good to tank and end up with another Trey Burke.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Barnes started for a championship team on a rookie deal... helped them not use their cap space on filling that need. Keeping that powder dry helped them land Kevin Durant.

My point is Curry and Thompson were not irreparable damaged by having a team actively lose games.
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Barnes was massive for them in the years he was there. I'm not disregarding his impact. My whole point is that we have a ton more talent, and healthy talent, on this team than Golden State had when they tanked in 2011-12. They added more impact players after the tank (Barnes, Green and Iggy) than they had during the tank (hurt Curry and Thompson).
 
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