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Surely everyone has heard the story of Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State defensive coordinator who was convicted of sexual abuse towards children. Turns out many of Penn State's athletic department knew about it and failed to contact the authorities and instead just fired him. Too me this is probably the most disgusting crime a human can commit, and failing to report someone you know of doing it is just as bad. Thoughts? Do you think Joe Paterno knew about it?
 
His only sin was loving too much, or too many.
 
at any rate, I've been a big Joe Pa fan for decades, so I'm perhaps a little biased on this. But I hope what he's said about this situation is accurate, and until I know more, I'll believe him.

from what I read, he was told in 2002 (or therebouts, when Sandusky was no longer on his coaching staff) by a graduate assistant who said he saw what seemed to be inappropriate contact in one of the showers. He reported it to his superiors (the AD and the university President - edit: it was a university VP, not the Pres.) and felt that was the end of his responsibility in the matter. Apparently those two interviewed the graduate assistant about the incident and got additional details of what he thought he saw taking place in the showers. Joe Paterno said did not know the details of what the witness reported to the the other two officials.

The other incident in 1998 apparently was not reported to Paterno and was handled by state child welfare authorities.

Seems there's a lot more we need to learn about these allegations and how they were handled.

Here's a story from the Atlanta Journal Constitution that seems less sensationalistic than some of the others I've read:
https://www.ajc.com/sports/2-top-officials-step-1218654.html


edit: just to clarify, my comments are directed at the question at the end of the first post about Joe Paterno's knowledge of the allegations
 
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Yeah, my bad on the convicted part, but yeah. From what I've seen it seems like he is most likely guilty.
 
The truly sad part of this whole story is that there are people who will stand up for this pervert and his "rights". I'm specifically thinking of NAMBLA. Sorry, but what this guy did is just wrong any way you slice it.
 
SalmonHobo said:
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/11/07/sandusky-grand-jury-report/

People should read the grand jury report or at least some of it. Paterno looks awful in this any way you cut it. Unless you have your head buried in the sand like moe.
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This. Ive always held JoePa in the highest regard but with what we're starting to learn, he didn't do the right thing. Sure, legally he might have, but not morally. When he reported the incident to his AD and nothing came of it, he should have taken it to the proper authorities. How many more children sufferred after this incident because of JoePa's silence. Unforgivable IMO.

I caught a few seconds of the Jim Rome this morning and heard him talking about the fact that every victim that came after the Penn State cover-up will probably have a really good case should they decide to sue Penn St. A lawyer texted in and referred to the victims as "millionaires in waiting". He also speculated that while an entitity like the Vactican can withstand such a financial firestorm, as state ran university can not.

Now reports are trickling out that JoePa is going to officially be finished because of this. We are at the beginning of a very long saga.
 
SalmonHobo said:
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/11/07/sandusky-grand-jury-report/

People should read the grand jury report or at least some of it. Paterno looks awful in this any way you cut it. Unless you have your head buried in the sand
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Yeah, I read it. Paterno certainly is not the bad guy in this. Should he have done more? Undoubtedly, though it seems from this report he had pretty limited knowledge about one or two incidents, and he knew other authorities were investigating. But it seems to be there were far too many others who turned a blind eye to what what going on. Others who had far more intimate knowledge about what was taking place, over a period of time, like the officials of the charity and members of the university police department and the Pennsylvania Dept. of Public Welfare. Even the parents of some of the victims....

...Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."

Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge....
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This whole thing sounds a lot like all the Michael Jackson allegations - - don't parents wonder why their child is getting fairly significant gifts from a male adult acquaintance?


by the way, most of the incidents took place in Sandusky's home, or in high school gymnasiums where Sandusky was involved in programs either through the Second Mile charity or the high school themselves.
 
Joe Pa not reporting this is absolutely disgusting and sheds a ton of light on the hubris of college football officials.

He simply took a cover his own *** approach to it but was more concerned with keeping the program out of the spotlight than he was with doing the right thing.

Seriously, when you are told of a crime going on between an adult man and a ten year old boy in a shower, you don't just tell your boss and let it go.

If I heard that a fellow employee at my job was potentially raping children in the shower at our work, I am not just gong to my supervisor to report it, what an idiot.

Obviously you tell your boss, but then you contact the police immediately and let them know. We are talking about children being around a man who is known to have access to hundreds of children through a "charity" he runs. Hell, Joe Pa is in the child care business as well, he goes into high schools and into teens homes to talk to them, he should know as well as anyone how fragile these kids lives are.
 
Yeah, either way you cut it, if JP knew about this stuff and did not report it to the police, he is a bad guy in my eyes. How would you feel if your child got raped by this dude and JP knew this guy was out there doing this stuff? It's not like child rapist rape one kid then call it quits, they are sick mentally in the head and they probably can't help themselves.
 
If you're told by somebody that they saw an assistant coach that you directly employ showering with a 10-year old boy and you tell your AD only to then distance yourself from the entire situation, you are a bad guy. Period, black and white, end of discussion.
 
jazzman12 said:
If you're told by somebody that they saw an assistant coach that you directly employ showering with a 10-year old boy and you tell your AD only to then distance yourself from the entire situation, you are a bad guy. Period, black and white, end of discussion.
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I'm going to take this approach.
We know Sandusky is a creep, and a bad guy, and whatever else anyone want to call him.
We know Paterno, and others should have made better decisions and made sure the police were involved from the first moment it was discovered. Does that make Paterno a "bad guy"? I still don't have enough information one way or the other. He could be a bad guy, but he could be a decent guy that made a very bad decision in a moment of truth. I say this to try to be fair, but deep down I think he's known something was wrong, and he knows he made the wrong choice to let it go and let Sandusky off the hook. Any one of these people should have pushed it. The campus police, the GA, AD, University officers, parents should have known something weird was going on, the guy at the school that let kids visit with Sandusky during school hours unsupervised, Sandusky's wife, and probably many other people should have initiated something. This whole scenario is messed up big time.

I don't even have words to explain how sickened I am by Sandusky, and I guess the enablers, for what happened. How many lives were messed up, starting with the kids?

I guess when I read my own post, I must agree with Jazzman12 on this more than any sliver of hope I have for Paterno's goodness. I can't really find any reasonable way to convince myself it would ever be right not to go to the police if I saw a grown man in a shower with a 10 year old boy under the circumstances described, or if I heard a report that someone that works for me was doing this even once.
 
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Reading through that Grand Jury report is about as sickening as it gets. I have a feeling this is going to get much, much worse in terms of victims and the cover up.
 
moevillini said:
Paterno certainly is not the bad guy in this.
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Not THE bad guy, but certainly A bad guy.

Yeah, he made a bad decision. Ordering the wrong thing at lunch? Parking in a handicap spot? Leaving his jacket home on a chilly morning? No, he knew about an (alleged) incident of child molestation, and did as little as he could without actually doing nothing (allegedly).

This was the wrong way to handle it and, consequently, other children likely endured the same thing.

Criminally speaking, he probably did what was required of him.

Morally, he's reprehensible.
 
Just read the transcript. Absolutely disgusting. I feel for these victims. What a horrible way for a man to utilize his position to sexually assault young boys.
 
Not only is the blame on Joe Pa, but that GA as well. What did he do to stop it? Tell the Head Football Coach? Whooptee-freeking-doo. If I walked in on a 50-something man showering with a 10 year old boy, I don't just turn around and walk out. I do everything in my power to stop it once and for all. I call the cops, I call the media, I call the White House if I need to.
 
catratcho said:
Not only is the blame on Joe Pa, but that GA as well. What did he do to stop it? Tell the Head Football Coach? Whooptee-freeking-doo. If I walked in on a 50-something man showering with a 10 year old boy, I don't just turn around and walk out. I do everything in my power to stop it once and for all. I call the cops, I call the media, I call the White House if I need to.
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Exactly this. As I read that transcript, I thought the same thing. Why go to the Head Coach? What the hell is he going to do. You witnessed a crime, a bad one at that and you don't contact authorities about it?
 
Lawyers for Sandusky, Curley and Schultz have said their clients are innocent...
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Yeah because a lot of 50 year olds shower with little boys on University Campus' and that's normal enough not to say anything at all.
 
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