People have lost their damn minds

[moevillini]

on a side note, has anybody noticed the influx of "Doggie Day Care" and "Doggie Day Spas" that seem to be sprouting up everywhere?




(edit: this is my 987th post btw, I'm making note of that - - just 13 posts shy of 1000!)

 

[Archie Moses]

on a side note, has anybody noticed the influx of "Doggie Day Care" and "Doggie Day Spas" that seem to be sprouting up everywhere?




(edit: this is my 987th post btw, I'm making note of that - - just 13 posts shy of 1000!)

Crap like that is the new "green".

 

[Beantown]

Hurting any living thing for pure enjoyment is a sign of some serious mental issues.

 

[billyshelby]

Lumping in other issues and the seeming hypocrisies only distracts from the argument. Animal cruelty, the malicious mistreatment of animals by individuals is one issue. It should be dealt with on its own. Animal cruelty as it pertains to scientific testing/controversial industries is another issue. Animal cruelty as it pertains to the humane raising of livestock is yet another.

Trying to fight them all at once, or combining them into one argument, isn't very logical or constructive. There are cases, however questionable, for other types of 'cruelty,' but there is no case for savagely killing animals out of indifference or amusement. Which is why the defense always says, "Well, what about livestock, what about fur coats, what about primate testing, what about prison sentences out of whack, etc..."

 

[Darkwing Duck]

People in war don't get put in jail for killing people. Why should I if I kill someone? That sounds like the argument TIS is making...

 

[richgates]

For once I find myself in complete agreement with Beantown, someone pinch me.

 

[unluckyseventeen]

so i really fail to see any difference between what we do, and what vick did, and what your average farm does.

No, you just fail in general.

 

[TroutBum]

The Internet Son + Micheal Vick = One ugly *** minority.

You're worse than KatieMCR and her Alex Smith love. Defend to the bitter end, no matter how ridiculous!

 

[TheItinerantSon]

Hurting any living thing for pure enjoyment is a sign of some serious mental issues.

Eating meat is done for PURE ENJOYMENT

i.e. there is no biological need to do it, and in fact it would be a lot healthier for the planet if we didnt. But we feel it makes our life experience richer, and so we slaughter the animals in brutal fashion (watch one of PETAs propaganda videos if you dont believe me).

Similarly, biological research on animals is done because we feel that it will enrich human lives and human health. No lab rat is ever going to benefit from a diabetes or cancer drug that is developed as a result of experiments on animals.

Some people fight dogs because they feel that it enriches their life.


How are A and B ok, but C is vilified?

I've never been to a dog fight and never want to go to one. i dont really enjoy blood sports and even the NFL makes me nauseous sometimes. But i do however eat lots and lots of meat.

Further, I have also personally executed >50 mice/guinea pigs and have asked others to kill >>100 mice/guinea pigs for me. We breed mice that have no immune system and can't even grow hair, and we give these mice tumors so big they protrude out the side of the mouse. We do surgeries on mice and insert catheters into the portal veins of mice and rats so that we can add radiolabelled metabolites into these mice. We keep the mice alive for 3 days with these catheters and then kill them on the third day. Sometimes the mice pull out their catheters in the middle of the night and bleed to death slowly. Nobody is there to provide anesthetic in the middle of the night. The dying bleats of these mice almost certainly cause anxiety and alarm in the other mice.

Other labs do far more disruptive interventions on primates.

None of the knowledge from these experiments will ever benefit a single lab animal.

Theres animal blood on all our hands (maybe more on mine than most people's...), thats why I dont point fingers at bullfighters or dog fighters.

 

[One Brow]

Eating meat is done for PURE ENJOYMENT

i.e. there is no biological need to do it, and in fact it would be a lot healthier for the planet if we didnt.

Well, outside of the whole "vitamen B12 is only found in meat and dairy products". WE are omnivores, just like any other primate, and a moderate amount of meat is a normal part of our diet.

(watch one of PETAs propaganda videos if you dont believe me).

Butchering is inherently brutal. Killing does not need to be, and is much easier if you are not brutal.

Similarly, biological research on animals is done because we feel that it will enrich human lives and human health. No lab rat is ever going to benefit from a diabetes or cancer drug that is developed as a result of experiments on animals.

That's not the same thing as "pure enjoyment".

Theres animal blood on all our hands (maybe more on mine than most people's...), thats why I dont point fingers at bullfighters or dog fighters.

OK. Personally, I think different ends can sometmes justify different means.

 

[UB]

The animal rights people are the most dangerous political group in this country.

HYPERBOLEalert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Cece]

Most of Vick's dogs were rehabbed at Best Friends Animal Sanctuary, which is actually a pretty cool place outside of Kanab … good for Utah's economy. Now if the courts would order athletes to put their DUI victims' children through college we'd really be on to something.

 

[dodo]

Eating meat is done for PURE ENJOYMENT

i.e. there is no biological need to do it, and in fact it would be a lot healthier for the planet if we didnt. But we feel it makes our life experience richer, and so we slaughter the animals in brutal fashion (watch one of PETAs propaganda videos if you dont believe me).

Aren't humans and other mammals belonging to our order (ie primates) omnivorous? We might be eating too much meat but abstaining from it is neither natural or healthy.

Similarly, biological research on animals is done because we feel that it will enrich human lives and human health. No lab rat is ever going to benefit from a diabetes or cancer drug that is developed as a result of experiments on animals.

Some people fight dogs because they feel that it enriches their life.


How are A and B ok, but C is vilified?

I've never been to a dog fight and never want to go to one. i dont really enjoy blood sports and even the NFL makes me nauseous sometimes. But i do however eat lots and lots of meat.

Further, I have also personally executed >50 mice/guinea pigs and have asked others to kill >>100 mice/guinea pigs for me. We breed mice that have no immune system and can't even grow hair, and we give these mice tumors so big they protrude out the side of the mouse. We do surgeries on mice and insert catheters into the portal veins of mice and rats so that we can add radiolabelled metabolites into these mice. We keep the mice alive for 3 days with these catheters and then kill them on the third day. Sometimes the mice pull out their catheters in the middle of the night and bleed to death slowly. Nobody is there to provide anesthetic in the middle of the night. The dying bleats of these mice almost certainly cause anxiety and alarm in the other mice.

Other labs do far more disruptive interventions on primates.

None of the knowledge from these experiments will ever benefit a single lab animal.

Theres animal blood on all our hands (maybe more on mine than most people's...), thats why I dont point fingers at bullfighters or dog fighters.

So, you cannot get the moral difference between killing animals in search for cure for cancer and setting your kittie on fire and watching it die for pure enjoyment? You cannot tell how differently "enriches" your life?

While I can see the case you are trying to make and partially agree with it, your analogies and examples are ludicrous.

 

[Scat]

While I find it bizarre and disturbing that a person would light a cat on fire just to watch it burn, in no way do I feel that it should be a federal offense punishable with a prison sentence.

 

[C l u t c H 385]

While I find it bizarre and disturbing that a person would light a cat on fire just to watch it burn, in no way do I feel that it should be a federal offense punishable with a prison sentence.

Fine, but it should be a state crime punishable with a prison sentence.

 

[Scat]

Fine, but it should be a state crime punishable with a prison sentence.

There should be no prison sentence on any level associated with burning a cat.

 

[C l u t c H 385]

There should be no prison sentence on any level associated with burning a cat.

Agree to disagree. I think it's a pretty clear indication that someone is disturbed and dangerous.

 

[Scat]

Agree to disagree. I think it's a pretty clear indication that someone is disturbed and dangerous.

So you advocate imprisoning someone because they have the potential to hurt a human? I'll agree that they are disturbed but saying that they are dangerous to anything other than cats is jumping the gun.

 

[C l u t c H 385]

So you advocate imprisoning someone because they have the potential to hurt a human?

Where did I say that? It's not just potential once they burn the cat. They are dangerous.

 

[sirkickyass]

Agree to disagree. I think it's a pretty clear indication that someone is disturbed and dangerous.

So we convict and imprison based upon the potential to commit future acts against people?

EDIT: You posted while I was writing. It's a cat. That's the bottom line. I have a cat. I love my cat. But it's just a cat. At a certain point the line you draw between certain animals is going to be arbitrary. Soon you'll want to imprison kids who pull the legs off of bugs.