People you lack the expertise to criticize Corbin

[Stoked]

I think this is a sign that Ty knows he is on his way out.

Look at how Marvin played as a starter and now as a backup. I think Marvin has Big Al disease, just like every single player on this team except for Burks and Kanter (sort of). Those two are the only two that can do anything next to Al, yet he doesn't play either wil Al.

The guy is an idiot. From Raja to Howard, now to Foye, Marvin, Watson, it is clear he has no idea what he is doing out there. We run no offense, we run no defense, our substitution pattern is, seniors get in first, then newbies.

It's almost like Ty learned how to coach from a city league. It's pathetic and embarrassing.

Because of Ty, we have wasted the last 1.5 years, have to extend Favors not knowing what he can do, missed out on two potential all-stars (Lilliard and Barnes), and have played horrible players ahead of better ones.

I have a hard time laying all that on Ty as he had no control over the GSTankers or their record. It is also not just his call on who we drafted. Even in the right draft position there is no guarantee that KOC picks those guys. I do agree on most the other points.

 

[chawx]

The only... ONLY (and I'm reaching really, really hard for this) thing that would change my mind on Corbin and change it quickly—is if he's been sandbagging this whole time by playing obviously retarded rotations on purpose. Like, thinking, "it's a long season", "i don't want other teams to figure us out", "i want to surprise other teams and make the playoffs and win when we get there" ... so, what if Ty is purposefully doing all this stupid stuff just to throw teams off our scent.

...yeahhh, that's all I got.

The guy is in WAY over his head and should remain an assistant in this league at the best until he can get that stupid chip off his shoulder that he has against any and all young, up-and-coming, players in this league.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I think this is a sign that Ty knows he is on his way out.

Look at how Marvin played as a starter and now as a backup. I think Marvin has Big Al disease, just like every single player on this team except for Burks and Kanter (sort of). Those two are the only two that can do anything next to Al, yet he doesn't play either wil Al.

The guy is an idiot. From Raja to Howard, now to Foye, Marvin, Watson, it is clear he has no idea what he is doing out there. We run no offense, we run no defense, our substitution pattern is, seniors get in first, then newbies.

It's almost like Ty learned how to coach from a city league. It's pathetic and embarrassing.

Because of Ty, we have wasted the last 1.5 years, have to extend Favors not knowing what he can do, missed out on two potential all-stars (Lilliard and Barnes), and have played horrible players ahead of better ones.

Call me confused, but if Kanter and Burks never play with Al how do we know they can and produce with Al in the game?

 

[Stifle Tower]

Maybe this article has been posted before, but I found it quite interesting. Lot of "leaps" of logic to explain Corbin's mindset, but I think there are several valid points.
https://jazzfanatical.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/what-is-my-motivation-the-tyrone-corbin-edition/



"We can see several patterns in Corbin’s playing career:
1) As a young player, he rarely got major minutes unless someone was injured.

2) As he closed in on his prime years (26-30 years old), he got traded or waived every time he started getting comfortable somewhere. It was also during these years that he started losing playing time to younger players.
e.g. in Phoenix, “I was really enjoying myself there until I found out I wasn’t protected in the expansion draft. I was very, very surprised. I was surprised, shocked and disappointed because I thought I was an asset to the team. I thought I was one of the guys that kept the team jelling together. Then, to find out that I wasn’t one of those guys… It was disappointing to me.” (source)
e.g. In Minnesota, it finally seemed like he had found a home. After starting for two seasons, he was traded and got sent back to the bench.
3) In his late prime years (30-33), he was constantly losing minutes and starter-status to younger, more talented/athletic guys, e.g. David Benoit, Bryon Russell, Stacey Augmon, Walt Williams, etc. that probably didn’t work as hard as him.
4) Corbin’s career saw a revival in terms of minutes and starting at age 34-35 in Atlanta, but then he started losing minutes to younger guys and getting traded and waived again.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I think this is a sign that Ty knows he is on his way out.

Look at how Marvin played as a starter and now as a backup. I think Marvin has Big Al disease, just like every single player on this team except for Burks and Kanter (sort of). Those two are the only two that can do anything next to Al, yet he doesn't play either wil Al.

The guy is an idiot. From Raja to Howard, now to Foye, Marvin, Watson, it is clear he has no idea what he is doing out there. We run no offense, we run no defense, our substitution pattern is, seniors get in first, then newbies.

It's almost like Ty learned how to coach from a city league. It's pathetic and embarrassing.

Because of Ty, we have wasted the last 1.5 years, have to extend Favors not knowing what he can do, missed out on two potential all-stars (Lilliard and Barnes), and have played horrible players ahead of better ones.

Ok, I'm with you on almost all your points.

But how did we miss out on those guys? Golden State tanked in order to hold onto their pick. There was ZERO chance of Portland trading their pick to us. Are you saying that Ty should have coached Utah to a 27-39 record? I'm not sure the Jazz could have done that poorly even by bringing Al and Paul off the bench. I guess there was a slight chance that Utah could have traded with Sacramento had they received the GS pick AND missed the playoffs and been able to give the Kings the #8 and #14. But again, Golden State TANKED!

 

[franklin]

I too generally don't enjoy seeing people lose their jobs, and I really wanted Corbin to succeed, but after two very frustrating seasons watching him pig headedly play less talented vets over more talented youth, field one of worst starting units in the league, and generally refuse to play his best players together, I've had enough of him. I still hope he succeeds but at somewhere else than Utah.

To be fair, there's plenty of confirmation bias here as the youngins have grown into better players than the vets. I can't really blame a head coach, the statue of stability, for being hesitant in passing the torch. My issues are building on his defensive adjustments, unwillingness to play Favors over Al on the last defensive possession, garbage motion offense after his one option plays break down, PnR philosophy, emotional absense, refusal to sub during OT....

His player development is impressive to me though. Burks and Kanter both went from very little to serviceable and All Star potential, respectively.

The level of criticism usually matches the level of education and the fans, the people it comes from.

I could stomach you if you'd quit preaching through your microphone nonstop.

 

[carolinajazz]

Was it "Murphy's Law?" Something about reaching your potential and then taking the next step which throws you in total incompetence? Corbin is incompetent when it comes to coaching an NBA team. It seems he's the only one that see's that.....other than our owner and front office!

 

[Monte666]

Never a good move to belittle the fans. While it's true we probably don't see the same nuances of the game that Ty does, we do recognize a good job when we see it, and we'll throw money at it.

I probably couldn't direct a film anywhere near as good as the third Transformers, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize the quality difference between Michael Bay and Martin Scorsese.

From what I see Ty needs glasses cause the nuances he's seeing are not there. And the things he misses are as big as a elephant. And I beg to differ you could direct better than Michael Bay I still can't figure out how he got a job.

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[Lion's Roar]

No that's Peter's principle. The idea that you raise in an hierarchy until you reach a job where you're incompetent to progress and there for the company is being driven by the subjects in flux and being brought down by the upper management that got stuck in a job they aren't competent enough to progress from.

 

[SojoDave]

Ty did not play center in the nba. Therefore, he has no right to criticize Big Al. This is why Ty never criticize Big Al for playing defense like a dead man.

 

[Revolution 9]

It's called a message board.

There are no general ed requirements to post here.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

No players should ever listen to Gregg Poppovich since he never played in the NBA. Brilliant logic Ty!!! People outside of an arena can't be greatly educated and wise on that subject or anything.

 

[jumpin bean]

Can we just boo Corbin every minute of every home game until he quits.

 

[gregbroncs]

I saw this and just laughed. Ty is a terrible coach and now he's getting worried. I wonder if he knows that the guys that will fire him never played in the NBA and they are not (according to him) in a position to criticize him.

 

[vslice02]

I posted in another thread how a week ago I felt Ty was a near-lock to return as coach even if Utah finished 9th, but now my confidence is down to around 60% not only because of Utah's freefall and Dennis Lindsey's less than long-term ringing endoresment but because of statements like this that Corbin makes.
He's in one of the softest and least vicious professional markets imagineable (if you listen to Ty's postgame media sessions after a loss it's a slow-pitch softball tournament compared to media in other cities) and barring Zach Lowe's Grantland piece, the national media has no idea of the bizarre decision-making he's made over the past 2 seasons.
In spite of that - he takes a shot at the media in which he fires a veiled dart that they have no idea what they're talking about and have no right to criticize (a team that's lost 7 out of 8 games) because they've never played the game? Unless you have rings or a hall-of-fame resume, you don't take shots at the media because as a young coach you need them on your side. To me this points more to Corbin reaching a level of desperation where he knows he's losing the team, that he can't escape the heat that's eluded him for most of the past 2 1/2 seasons and this was a half-hearted yet foolish attempt to make it seem like he was sticking up for his guys. Then they go out and lay a complete egg on national television. Knowing how Greg Miller has run the team in the past 4 years, I'm not even sure if his seat is warm at this point but I think O'Connor and Lindsey are definitely taking the cover off the thermostat. It's either their credibility or their coach's if the Jazz completely fizzle out down the stretch.

 

[Getting Traded]

Did Ty hear what Magic Johnson said at halftime tonight on NBA TV -- by Ty's standard, Magic certainly has the cred to criticize, and he did, BIG TIME, basically saying the Jazz should be ashamed of themselves for the way they were playing.

 

[gregbroncs]

Did Ty hear what Magic Johnson said at halftime tonight on NBA TV -- by Ty's standard, Magic certainly has the cred to criticize, and he did, BIG TIME, basically saying the Jazz should be ashamed of themselves for the way they were playing.

It'e almost embarrassing to be a fan of this team ATM.

 

[The Midnight]

I posted in another thread how a week ago I felt Ty was a near-lock to return as coach even if Utah finished 9th, but now my confidence is down to around 60% not only because of Utah's freefall and Dennis Lindsey's less than long-term ringing endoresment but because of statements like this that Corbin makes.
He's in one of the softest and least vicious professional markets imagineable (if you listen to Ty's postgame media sessions after a loss it's a slow-pitch softball tournament compared to media in other cities) and barring Zach Lowe's Grantland piece, the national media has no idea of the bizarre decision-making he's made over the past 2 seasons.
In spite of that - he takes a shot at the media in which he fires a veiled dart that they have no idea what they're talking about and have no right to criticize (a team that's lost 7 out of 8 games) because they've never played the game? Unless you have rings or a hall-of-fame resume, you don't take shots at the media because as a young coach you need them on your side. To me this points more to Corbin reaching a level of desperation where he knows he's losing the team, that he can't escape the heat that's eluded him for most of the past 2 1/2 seasons and this was a half-hearted yet foolish attempt to make it seem like he was sticking up for his guys. Then they go out and lay a complete egg on national television. Knowing how Greg Miller has run the team in the past 4 years, I'm not even sure if his seat is warm at this point but I think O'Connor and Lindsey are definitely taking the cover off the thermostat. It's either their credibility or their coach's if the Jazz completely fizzle out down the stretch.

They've been saying "Every player needs to realize that the coach is King" for the longest time. Really? I thought the coach has to EARNED the respect from the players as well.

 

[vslice02]

They've been saying "Every player needs to realize that the coach is King" for the longest time. Really? I thought the coach has to EARNED the respect from the players as well.

I think the organization has to make it clear from Day 1 that the head coach has complete authority over the players - good or bad. If he's bad, then ideally you get rid of him and find a better one, but the coach should definitely have total authority over the players, and hopefully he's good enough that gradually the players will respect his coaching - not simply his authority.

 

[bluenote]

So at the end of the season, does Greg break the news to Ty or does he find out watching ESPN?