Look, if Gobert ****ed Mitchell’s mom, sister, or partner, yeah. I totally get it and I’ll walk back some of my criticisms.
But this? Donovan is acting like covid is Gobert’s fault. It’s asinine.
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But this? Donovan is acting like covid is Gobert’s fault. It’s asinine.
Hindsight? What does that have to do with Don getting over a virtual non-event for the betterment of everyone?
lmao, and Lopo accuses others of misrepresenting what people say.
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LoPo
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No it's not. Not at all.
Media members were upset at Rudy for his actions. Were they irrational?
Rudy did something and maybe he's still be a dick about it. Assuming Don is just a baby is classic Rudy apologist. Own your actions people.
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I’m not going to rehash. Lopo you’re even more lonely on this poll than I expected, I guess everyone’s just finally saw through the guy. At some point the PR curtain started to break, and it was so obvious how much Don manipulated and calculated every single thing he did. Spence Checketts has even made a good point that when we lost Hayward, Don is a CAA client, and Spence says undoubtably his agency told him to go out there say you love it, take full advantage of a fan base hurting after losing their home grown star. Like looking back at it, it’s all been calculated, and it just doesn’t help your organization or team if everyone knows you are not two feet in on the goal especially when you are the guy getting his *** kissed the entire time.
I’ll be clear, wish I was totally wrong, wish Don wasn’t this way, and one day he probably will grow up, look back and regret plenty of it, especially if he does end up in NY with that media, fanbase, and any hint of failure. But if it’s what he wants it’s what he wants, there’ll rightfully be some bitter feelings left behind. He ain’t an angel, he’s not a devil, he’s just not one of us anymore and likely never genuinely was. That’s alright, the fanbase will move forward, and the franchise will survive with or without him.
One thing that I think will show his character and how selfish, petty, and arrogant he actually is, is if he actually asks for a trade this summer, right as the franchise is going into hosting its first All Star game in 30 years. Like that’s just low, especially when you signed your massive contract a couple years ago and are in year 2 of it. At minimum Donovan could have honored some of that contract with some commitment and not created all this noise and nonsense as the Jazz are heading into a year that should be a celebration of SLC, the Jazz franchise, and the fanbase. If he demands a trade this summer or creates a ton of issues in the offseason like idk how you keep any respect for him. I’ve always thought next summer is when it will be at its end, but there’s enough reports at this point that it feels like it could very well happen after this one ends.
PS- I bet he skips out on Exit Interviews again after the Jazz lose in the playoffs, unless they are required this year—they weren’t last year. Just another example of the 2 dudes true character. Rudy willingly participated in exit interviews after an embarrassing flameout last season, Donovan hopped on a plane and immediately left for NY and skipped them. That really epitomizes the difference in the two as far as accountability.
I’ll be clear, wish I was totally wrong, wish Don wasn’t this way, and one day he probably will grow up, look back and regret plenty of it, especially if he does end up in NY with that media, fanbase, and any hint of failure. But if it’s what he wants it’s what he wants, there’ll rightfully be some bitter feelings left behind. He ain’t an angel, he’s not a devil, he’s just not one of us anymore and likely never genuinely was. That’s alright, the fanbase will move forward, and the franchise will survive with or without him.
One thing that I think will show his character and how selfish, petty, and arrogant he actually is, is if he actually asks for a trade this summer, right as the franchise is going into hosting its first All Star game in 30 years. Like that’s just low, especially when you signed your massive contract a couple years ago and are in year 2 of it. At minimum Donovan could have honored some of that contract with some commitment and not created all this noise and nonsense as the Jazz are heading into a year that should be a celebration of SLC, the Jazz franchise, and the fanbase. If he demands a trade this summer or creates a ton of issues in the offseason like idk how you keep any respect for him. I’ve always thought next summer is when it will be at its end, but there’s enough reports at this point that it feels like it could very well happen after this one ends.
PS- I bet he skips out on Exit Interviews again after the Jazz lose in the playoffs, unless they are required this year—they weren’t last year. Just another example of the 2 dudes true character. Rudy willingly participated in exit interviews after an embarrassing flameout last season, Donovan hopped on a plane and immediately left for NY and skipped them. That really epitomizes the difference in the two as far as accountability.
At this point I am blown away by the hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness here. Like, this is jaw-dropping.
Lopo: "I assume this is Rudy's fault."
Also Lopo, in literally the very next sentence: "Assuming this is Don's fault is classic Rudy apologist. Own your actions people".
How the hell does Lopo not see this, lmao.
Sure Gobert was stupid and irresponsible around COVID... just like 50-60-70-80%(?) of people were at the time. Noone is denying that. This is settled. What's also true is that Gobert was very apologetic and contrite in the aftermath. He pretty much did all the right things in the subsequent weeks and months to try to remedy the situation.
Donovan is incredibly calculated person. The one thing he didn't manage to calculate is how much Jazz fans love Gobert and how his behavior after the COVID drama will be seen by Jazz fans. And this was 2 years ago and is extending well into this year. Hell, look at polls like this. Jazz fans will forever resent Mitchell for the way he handled himself and let the entire organization and Rudy out to dry for MONTHS after that thing. Jazz fans will never trust him after that. Yes, Rudy made a mistake, but he also almost immediately showed regret and remorse... while we had to read "unsalvagable" reports and shade thrown towards Gobert for months if not years. Mitchell thought he can win this power struggle behind the scenes. And he might win it with the FO, but he won't win it with Jazz fans. I'm almost positive if he runs Gobert out in the summer, Jazz fans will boo him and the entire team the first time they get to see them. And they better hope this thing runs smoothly on the court because things can get pretty ugly pretty quick.
Donovan is incredibly calculated person. The one thing he didn't manage to calculate is how much Jazz fans love Gobert and how his behavior after the COVID drama will be seen by Jazz fans. And this was 2 years ago and is extending well into this year. Hell, look at polls like this. Jazz fans will forever resent Mitchell for the way he handled himself and let the entire organization and Rudy out to dry for MONTHS after that thing. Jazz fans will never trust him after that. Yes, Rudy made a mistake, but he also almost immediately showed regret and remorse... while we had to read "unsalvagable" reports and shade thrown towards Gobert for months if not years. Mitchell thought he can win this power struggle behind the scenes. And he might win it with the FO, but he won't win it with Jazz fans. I'm almost positive if he runs Gobert out in the summer, Jazz fans will boo him and the entire team the first time they get to see them. And they better hope this thing runs smoothly on the court because things can get pretty ugly pretty quick.
I’m not sure if you lost the trail of this conversation and some of the points you have repeatedly made, but we’re talking about now. You have suggested that Donovan is the one that can’t get over something that happened two years ago (and resulted in 0 meaningful consequences).
The media people who were in that room have ALL publicly defended Rudy over this little clip.
LoPo
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I'm not saying that at all.
My point is simple - Don is a human being and had the right to be upset when Rudy did what he did. If they never reconciled, Don has the right to still be upset with Rudy.
It shouldn't impact the floor, but Don has the right to have an issues with Rudy if Rudy never apologized or worked it out.
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I thought we were talking about the present. No one is saying Gobert wasn’t a real dumbass. No one. Not even Gobert.
Let’s talk about the present. Is it still your point that the reason Donovan can’t pass to Rudy today is because he happened to test positive first?
Cuz that’s nuts.
If they never reconciled despite Gobert apologizing and by all accounts putting in the work, then that’s on your boy.
What I think is more likely is that Don consciously keeps himself and Gobert at arm’s length because all the cool kids in the league think that Gobert has cooties and Donovan is so eager to prove that he is cool. I think his reasons are small-minded and ******.
That’s not an entirely rational reasoning, but it makes more sense to me than this really stretched rationale you’re using.
Donovan straight up doesn’t like Rudy, Rudy doesn’t like shouldering the burden of being the janitor for everyone else and getting **** on for it. If I have to choose who I back, it’s not a hard call.
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I already said that Don should not be holding a grudge that impacts the floor as childishly as not passing it to Rudy.
Assuming he isn't passing on purpose is also reckless.
I'm talking about how they could still have a fractured relationship.
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I think Don did have his issues with Rudy prior to this, and he thought he had enough built up rep with the fanbase that he could use that situation and the fanbase would throw Rudy aside and be with him. You’re right, he miscalculated that in a big way, and it was the beginning of the end for the fanbase and him on the honeymoon faze. He seriously miscalculated how much the fanbase liked Rudy. I have to admit, I’m not sure why Smith is so all in on pleasing Donovan at this point. He has to see the fanbase has fell quite a bit out of love with the dude at some point.
Yeah, he isn't passing to wide open Rudy on accident.
LoPo
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Are you serious? A media obligation PR saving interview is not a guarantee that Rudy actually made things right with Don.
You believe everything you hear in a press conference?
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Conley misses Rudy some too.
What's your TMZ level speculation on that?
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That’s more than I’ve seen from Mitchell, so you bet your *** I’m rolling with any evidence vs zero.