Pistons@Jazz 3/12/12
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asian_roger
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A win is a win, but in the end jazz gm are going to realize no one really cares about watching the jazz if they over play the vets. The vets are mediocre at best, but its time to insert some fresh blood into this team and actually make their minutes meaningful. Raja is getting on my nerves. I was fine when he bounced back from his slump and fought hard, but once he was injured he realized the danger losing his starting position. Next, he could've pull a "I have a family to feed" bs and force corbin to bend over and give him minutes. I don't know the full story, but raja comes off as a douche.
Brown Notes
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I can see where you are coming from. I like Burks a lot and he should become much better than Bell ever was. I don't agree with everything the coach does and I look at the future.
But I can see where Corbin is at too. What he's trying to do is get a playoff rotation. He believes he needs Bell to start in the postseason. He wants vets who know what they are doing and he wants them to know each other. Corbin wants to establish some regularity. He is not concerned about next season. He knows that these young guys are under contract for several years to come and isn't worried about pissing off rooks and sophomores let alone fans who want so see said players more.
There have been a lot of people looking to scrutinize and criticize Corbin's handling of the roster as far as who plays when. This is natural. I do too. But you have to recognize that Corbin has been very much willing to reward players that do their jobs.
The only players that haven't had a real chance to earn more minutes are Tinsley and Evans. Evans is our 5th big and Tinsley is the 3rd point. Burks got more minutes earlier and was destructive to the offense as far as sticking to the play. He's looked a lot better and that might have something to do with getting benched.
Howard was really on and off until getting the nod at starter and since then has looked much, much more efficient. Favors actually had a starting job that Sap promptly played back into. CJ has been much improved but only at home. Harris lost a ton of minutes to Watson and since has elevated/adapted his play and has been looking quite good for a little while now. Bell was on a major roll before he was hurt. Jefferson is the best player on the team and also wants to win more than anybody else except maybe Millsap.
There are, I'm sure, more reasons but they probably boil down to the goal of advancing as far as possible into the postseason. This year. We know that Corbin has the support of the GM and the owner. There is no amount of angry internet posts or grumpy emails that will bring him down. The fans that are deluded into thinking that anyone in the organization is against what Corbin is about are wasting their time at least until the end of next season. Which as it turns out has the Jazz in a very leverage-able situation.
I wonder what the haters and long-rangers would think about a Jazz situation where their hated coach is fired, all the vets they despise expire, and the youngn's are entering their years when players typically blossom. Hmmm.
Edit to add: I didn't mention Kanter. Sorry. Kanter has looked a lot better than I expected and IMO what he does well might transfer better to the playoffs than what I've seen from Favors. Seriously. But so far he is still pretty clueless on offense and raw. In the regular season I would be in favor of giving him about 1 more minute in the 4th to keep Al from gassing late.
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I haven't read this thread, but I get the impression everyone is as bored and annoyed with this team as I am.
I don't give A **** about half of this team. Placeholder, non-Jazzmen make up 4/5ths of the starting lineup. I don't ****ing care. By all accounts this should be considered a good contest, but I almost fell asleep most of this game. No joke.
This place is going to erupt on 3/15, for one reason or another.
I don't give A **** about half of this team. Placeholder, non-Jazzmen make up 4/5ths of the starting lineup. I don't ****ing care. By all accounts this should be considered a good contest, but I almost fell asleep most of this game. No joke.
This place is going to erupt on 3/15, for one reason or another.
Brown Notes
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If that was true you wouldn't watch the games very often. Of course maybe you don't.
I agree on the 3/15 thing.
Ehh, sort of. I can tell you if I knew none of The Four were going to get any minutes I sure wouldn't watch. I don't care about 4/5 of the starting line up. If they (the 4/5, the placeholder, non-jazzmen) all got together and walked - with or without pay - I would just be happy. Bell and Miles don't generate apathy from me anymore, just antipathy. I just scowl when one checks in.
Brown Notes
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Really? You don't watch games because you dislike the players?
edit: I see. you watch waiting for your pet players. Sorry.
edit: I see. you watch waiting for your pet players. Sorry.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
Most of you are smarter than me when it comes to this ****, or maybe just in general, but what would you say if I told you that Jefferson is 11th in the NBA in PER at 23+? Does it mean next to nothing?
//r00t 4 Jazz
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I'm as disappointed with the Bell thing as most everybody, however can't say I'm surprised by it (unfortunately). Also it seemed that any positive Howard did he had a negative that neutralized it, glad he didn't come back in the 4th qtr.
Now with that negativity out of the way, how about Big Al. Sorry to hear about his grandma and my condolences to him and his family. However he did have a really good game and hit his first 3pt shot of his career so congrats to that.
Now with that negativity out of the way, how about Big Al. Sorry to hear about his grandma and my condolences to him and his family. However he did have a really good game and hit his first 3pt shot of his career so congrats to that.
It's kind of getting that way because of that fact that he seems to stockpile stats against poor teams, and disappears in big contest.
I don't know. Mostly, I don't care. He's improved, but when I look at him, I just see a stat-padder that's legacy will be teamless and without accolades wearing a jazz jersey for the moment. I see a guy that was brought in to buoy the Jazz's run with Deron and Sloan. They're gone. If he sucks I'm annoyed, and if he plays well I don't care.
I don't expect them to trade him this season. But he doesn't have to play 38 minutes a game.
My biggest problem is the wing fiasco. Miles is more Miles than ever, and Bell is an old and talentless bitch. Burks might not be the answer, but for the love of god, he's been the 3rd best wing (at worst) for a while now and I'd love to find out what we've got sooner than later. I think benching him earlier was necessary for him to get his legs under him and get his head around what the Jazz are trying to do, but I don't think it's doing anything but slowing him down at this point. He's done everything he's been asked to to date and grown considerably since the season began, and he's rewarded with demotion because Grandma Roller Derby is having a tough time coming to terms with her menopause. It's ridiculous.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Couldn't have said it better, Numberica.
Big Al is almost a carbon copy of Boozer. He gets 20/10 but it's almost always quiet - i.e. few FT's and no physical presence on defense. His contract likely makes him untradeable - unless we want even a worse contract in return. I understand and accept that he'll probably be around until next year, either the entire season or until a team has to give up value for an expiring contract.
I share your frustration regarding the wings. Miles won't be here next year and Bell either needs to be traded or released. The priority should be on giving Burks 30 mins per so he'll be a solid starter heading into next season. And definitely +1 for the "Grandma Roller Derby" nickname.
Big Al is almost a carbon copy of Boozer. He gets 20/10 but it's almost always quiet - i.e. few FT's and no physical presence on defense. His contract likely makes him untradeable - unless we want even a worse contract in return. I understand and accept that he'll probably be around until next year, either the entire season or until a team has to give up value for an expiring contract.
I share your frustration regarding the wings. Miles won't be here next year and Bell either needs to be traded or released. The priority should be on giving Burks 30 mins per so he'll be a solid starter heading into next season. And definitely +1 for the "Grandma Roller Derby" nickname.
but Burks has to earn it first....
NAOS
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Jefferson has always put up good offensive numbers. Where have those numbers led his teams?
The writing is on the wall for Jefferson. While he has improved some since being on the Jazz, he's not the guy we need going forward. Look who is backing him up. They both need to play. Now.
The most surprising thing about Jefferson apologists on this board is their propensity to think he will do something for us that he's never done in his ENTIRE career: win. He's not leading us anywhere. ever.
Trade him.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
Thanks for the responses. Very fair. I suppose much of my point is/was, of the two, would keeping Millsap be the wise move? I suppose, based on salary alone, yes.