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Place your bets - Hayward stays or Hayward goes. Public poll.

The Clash - Should I stay or Should I Go Now?

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Cappy_Smurf said:
I've been going back and forth on this, and can't really decide. Truly a 50/50 scenario for me, although I feel better than I did a week ago. I'm going to wait and see if Utah and/or Boston makes any moves in the next few days before voting.
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That's basically my thinking. He has the best chance at winning here [insert]Rudy[/insert] but Boston is loaded up with opportunities. If Favors or Burks or Exum or Hood or Kanter or Trey Burke or Trey Lyles lived up to the potential they've shown at times then the Jazz would have some trade chips to make a deal. Unfortunately, we haven't had our Klay Thompson or Patrick Beverly or Lou Williams or Jimmy Butler or Kawhi or Draymond or Devin Booker or CJ McCollum on a consistent enough basis for the tides to turn in the Jazz' direction.

We really needed to start firing on all cylinders.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
So your idea is to let the team implode because you don't like the contract numbers? And this gets us closer to a title? Alright.

Please tell me your master plan then.
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Hayward didn't carry the team to victory over the Clippers in the second round.
He's more like one of those nba "stars" that has numbers but doesn't necessarily win games for a team. He's a good player but he's not a star. Same goes for Hill. You can't pay star level money to merely good players, or you're hamstrung. Remember AK's contract? He wasn't a star but Jazz paid him star money - and it was a mistake.

When Hayward leaves it won't matter - this team will still make the playoffs.
 
BENTLEY said:
Hayward didn't carry the team to victory over the Clippers in the second round.
He's more like one of those nba "stars" that has numbers but doesn't necessarily win games for a team. He's a good player but he's not a star. Same goes for Hill. You can't pay star level money to merely good players, or you're hamstrung. Remember AK's contract? He wasn't a star but Jazz paid him star money - and it was a mistake.

When Hayward leaves it won't matter - this team will still make the playoffs.
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Gone
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
I've been going back and forth on this, and can't really decide. Truly a 50/50 scenario for me, although I feel better than I did a week ago. I'm going to wait and see if Utah and/or Boston makes any moves in the next few days before voting.
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This is almost exactly how I feel. 50/50 with a tiny lean towards staying, probably because I want him to.
 
If the Celtics were able to secure Jimmy Butler or Kristaps Porzingis, this would be game over for Utah, imo. But the fact that the Celtics haven't got another marquee player to join Hayward in Boston gives Utah a slight advantage. It's hard to turn down an extra $40M staring you in the face, when it's backed by Rudy Gobert and a talented roster that puts the Jazz in the top 3 in the west and top 5 in the league. The burden is on Boston to make Hayward give up that situation, and so far, the Celtics haven't made the big move.

I'll say it's 60% Utah, 30% Boston, 10% Miami.
 
I'm assuming this has been mentioned, but if there's any truth to Hayward wanting George Hill to be re-signed by the Jazz then one would have to assume Hayward would re-sign with us if we sign Hill. If we can sign Hill for $15,000,000 a season to keep Hayward I'd do it. Then I'll make a sacrifice to the foot gods in hopes Hill's toes don't fall off like last season.
 
LoPo said:
People talk about walking if Hayward leaves. If we give Hill $25 and Hayward $35, go ahead and walk. We cannot contend with those 2 making that much.

I think it's ******** Hayward is holding us hostage like this. Until last year, he hasn't been a star. And I still have questions on how elite he actually is. We are so desperate to keep him that we might sign 2 contracts that will act like an anchor on title hopes.

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This... he isnt the best player on the team right now. He isnt better than Dwill was when we moved him. Millsap has been a better player making more allstar teams. We will be fine without him. But, if we go all out for him we are guaranteed to be stuck in the middle. Wasting our young assets to appease Hayward.

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My feeling is that if Paul George doesn't commit to the Celtics long term, Hayward doesn't have a compelling enough reason to sign with the Celtics. Then I wonder why on earth Paul George would forfeit his opportunity to become a free agent, test the market and go to LA if that's what he wants. I think Paul George agreeing to a long-term extension is unlikely.

The media pundits, however, seem to think that Hayward should want to leave the Jazz for the Celtics even if Paul George doesn't commit longer term. I'm not sure what their reasoning is, but it seems as though they're lobbying for it.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
So your idea is to let the team implode because you don't like the contract numbers? And this gets us closer to a title? Alright.

Please tell me your master plan then.
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If Hayward only re-signs because of an overpaid, injury prone, aging PG, then I let Hill go.

I want Hayward. I really do. But Hayward will not ever be the best player on a contender. Won't happen. Some thing else big has to happen. Could it be Mitchell? Maybe. But Hill making $20+ is like taking Joe and Favors off the 2018/19 roster. And we wouldn't be able to replace them.

My solution - trade Favors, Diaw and a pick for Millsap (sign and trade on the Atlanta end). After that, we try to fit Hayward and Ingles or Hill or Teodisic. Maybe 2 of them depending on cost.

Millsap makes us a contender much, much more than Hill. And maybe we afford both. But if the off-season is just Hayward, Ingles and overpay Hill, just dumb.

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The Jazz's potential to emerge as a legit contender depends mostly on Rudy Gobert. If he can keep developing, that gives the Jazz a potential top-10 player in the league. Hayward can then be the second option and the player that ocmplements Gobert. If Mitchell hits, that gives the Jazz a third option.
 
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