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franklin presents why Corbin can't draw up inbound plays:
Notice Jefferson's only job is to screen Millsap's guy and Mo's only job is to hit him at the top of the arc. Both players fail miserably. Garnett had something to do with the inbound pass, but not ten feet worth after he backed off.
Good job Big Al at shuffling those feet maybe two full feet while the defender closed 6-8. I too expected him to just run right into you.
Maybe Al thought he was supposed to slip out to the 3 point line, because that's the only option left at this point.
Notice Jefferson's only job is to screen Millsap's guy and Mo's only job is to hit him at the top of the arc. Both players fail miserably. Garnett had something to do with the inbound pass, but not ten feet worth after he backed off.
Good job Big Al at shuffling those feet maybe two full feet while the defender closed 6-8. I too expected him to just run right into you.
Maybe Al thought he was supposed to slip out to the 3 point line, because that's the only option left at this point.
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The play that drove jazzfanz bat **** crazy:
Oh good, they missed two free throws or something. Let's try again. How about a simple triangle play to K.I.S.S. Big Al.
Ah ****, we forgot to show Al how Miami killed us with this play multiple times.
Entry to deep post. Got it Al?
Simple screen for corner three. Al?
Sploosh!
....back to the Jazz Celts game...
Okay, Big Al, it's our turn. Low post, screen, sploosh, got it?
Low post Al! Low ****ing post! That's not low post Al!
"It's just one game."
If you can't tell, that's Mo Williams shooting right next to Jefferson.
Oh good, they missed two free throws or something. Let's try again. How about a simple triangle play to K.I.S.S. Big Al.
Ah ****, we forgot to show Al how Miami killed us with this play multiple times.
Entry to deep post. Got it Al?
Simple screen for corner three. Al?
Sploosh!
....back to the Jazz Celts game...
Okay, Big Al, it's our turn. Low post, screen, sploosh, got it?
Low post Al! Low ****ing post! That's not low post Al!
"It's just one game."
If you can't tell, that's Mo Williams shooting right next to Jefferson.
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im trying to click play but it's not workin bros
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Lol @ the lack of posts in this thread. To me, this is one of the most intriguing threads I have read thus far. A ****load better than every "Al sucks play the core4 48mpg" threads that have zero substantiation behind them.
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But there are just certain things that cant be ignored about al...... for example, tonight against the hawks he shot the bell very well and had good personal numbers
Then you look at al horford (who al was guarding almost all game) and see that horford had 34 pts, 15 rebounds, and 5 blocks.
Then you look at the +/- stat for jeffy vs the core 4: burks +5, hayward +1, kanter -2, favors -4........ Al jefferson -16.
And it ends up that way so often that it cant just be a fluke.
vegas
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It's because Frank lays it out so well, what else would you like us to add?
DutchJazzer
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we needs al.
DutchJazzer
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i apreciate what your doing frank.
i thought of something like this. but take a full game and use a video to show what al gives up on defense and what he does on offense
i thought of something like this. but take a full game and use a video to show what al gives up on defense and what he does on offense
DutchJazzer
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Well shoot, Dutch, you want to see how big of a bonehead Favors is on defense?
with any combination of kanter millsap and favors that play would have been defended well
No. You see Al Horford standing there wide open because Jefferson had to pretend to guard Favors' man while he was busy setting a screen on Randy Foye? Hawks had two easy shots available and chose the best option.
Here's another play from Corbin's Don't Know Offense playbook. Notice the similarity to the reverse triangle plays I screenshotted earlier in the thread. Corbin has been running this alot with Hayward trying to bring him along. The main difference is the trailing man tends to stand closer to the bench sideline ref in Corbin's version. The center usually starts in deeper and is pre-set, a.k.a. stagnant offense with worse spacing. I like the high trailer better b/c it allows players to read better and has a guaranteed reset point where the players will move from if the ball goes there.
I love how non nonchalant Tim Duncan is here. Completely in his comfort zone. Corbin is trying to build that comfort level in the young guys.
I love how non nonchalant Tim Duncan is here. Completely in his comfort zone. Corbin is trying to build that comfort level in the young guys.
Here's the Jazz running the exact setup in the same game, but calling an iso for Sap instead of PnR. This is something I called for more of during last off season as I thought the Jazz had a clear advantage in Millsap over the Spurs scrubs.
Notice how deep Jefferson starts. Also, in shot two, the Jazz do a little pretend action screening but all it does is clog the paint and leaves nobody in the opposite corner wide open. If the guards had cleared out then Millsap makes an easy pass to Jefferson when Duncan helps on Sap. Corbin decides to crash the boards instead -- pick your poison.
To their credit, notice how Josh "Don't play the vets" Howard reads the play and stays in for the rebound instead of using the screen to fade baseline for a jumper. Burks is in no mans land, which allowed Ginobili to guard him and stop a pass to Jefferson.
Notice how deep Jefferson starts. Also, in shot two, the Jazz do a little pretend action screening but all it does is clog the paint and leaves nobody in the opposite corner wide open. If the guards had cleared out then Millsap makes an easy pass to Jefferson when Duncan helps on Sap. Corbin decides to crash the boards instead -- pick your poison.
To their credit, notice how Josh "Don't play the vets" Howard reads the play and stays in for the rebound instead of using the screen to fade baseline for a jumper. Burks is in no mans land, which allowed Ginobili to guard him and stop a pass to Jefferson.
The difference between poor execution and good execution..
I've never liked the way Corbin sends the ball into the low post from so high up the arc. He needs to slide the wing down 3-4 feet to better space the floor.
The cuts in the modern play are so lackadaisical there's no reason even pretending you're trying. Marvin and Watson might as well jog over to the other side of the floor pretend they're running learning drills in practice.
In the shot below, notice how far Marvin is away from his defender when he starts his cut. How's that supposed to create separation and get his defender off him?
Compare Marvin's lazy cut above to Stockton setting it up correctly. He gets right into his defender and forces him to go back on his heels before exploding into the lane.
Screenshots taken from these videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DwShUjbpm8 :16 mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0oKnAsn2oA :20 mark.
I've never liked the way Corbin sends the ball into the low post from so high up the arc. He needs to slide the wing down 3-4 feet to better space the floor.
The cuts in the modern play are so lackadaisical there's no reason even pretending you're trying. Marvin and Watson might as well jog over to the other side of the floor pretend they're running learning drills in practice.
In the shot below, notice how far Marvin is away from his defender when he starts his cut. How's that supposed to create separation and get his defender off him?
Compare Marvin's lazy cut above to Stockton setting it up correctly. He gets right into his defender and forces him to go back on his heels before exploding into the lane.
Screenshots taken from these videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DwShUjbpm8 :16 mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0oKnAsn2oA :20 mark.
I'd like to see this tried with Hayward-Kanter much more next season. Notice it's essentially the same play as the one in the post above. The Rockets ran it with both Hakeem and Barkley, and the Jazz can hopefully interchange Favors and Kanter too. Drexler is playing the wing role that Hayward would.
This setup was missing from Corbin's arsenal last season and I give him a pass since Foye is too short and not crafty enough to use the low screen for a curl and inside layup. It's a minor part anyway.
Here's the triangle setup even though the guard is clearing out. I'm showing it because after the entry pass, Drexler can set a screen for the guard for an easy corner three. The Jazz used this play last season but Jefferson can't handle having his but in a defenders crotch, and turning around ruins it.
The arrow shows the weak side wing rotation for a corner three when the defense collapses on the post. Ball goes to the high post and then skips over to the corner. Sploosh. Again, not available with Weezy playing ballerina down low.
Although this doesn't look like the same setup, the option is easy to add if Hayward calls off the Kanter low post and they use a little movement on the clear out. Again, the weak wing slides down (or camps there) for the pass on the drive. Miami uses this play tons.
Here's the clear out by running through just like the screenshot with Stockton scoring a layup in the post above. Another thing I hated about how Corbin ran it is he bunched guys up on the weak side wing way too closely. The Rockets always had a guy slowly leaking toward the sideline to keep Bryan Russell honest in not getting too close to the post. Again Big Al...
Anyway, there it is with 4, 5, 6 options. Every team in the league runs this, it's about having the talent to do it well.
One other option (which Hayward and Millsap played last season), is swinging the ball out of that triangle an into the two man game on the other side.
*Edit, I forgot to add the screen shot where Drexler and Hakeem run a pick and roll. That was the main reason I want to see more of this play too. *dammit*
This setup was missing from Corbin's arsenal last season and I give him a pass since Foye is too short and not crafty enough to use the low screen for a curl and inside layup. It's a minor part anyway.
Here's the triangle setup even though the guard is clearing out. I'm showing it because after the entry pass, Drexler can set a screen for the guard for an easy corner three. The Jazz used this play last season but Jefferson can't handle having his but in a defenders crotch, and turning around ruins it.
The arrow shows the weak side wing rotation for a corner three when the defense collapses on the post. Ball goes to the high post and then skips over to the corner. Sploosh. Again, not available with Weezy playing ballerina down low.
Although this doesn't look like the same setup, the option is easy to add if Hayward calls off the Kanter low post and they use a little movement on the clear out. Again, the weak wing slides down (or camps there) for the pass on the drive. Miami uses this play tons.
Here's the clear out by running through just like the screenshot with Stockton scoring a layup in the post above. Another thing I hated about how Corbin ran it is he bunched guys up on the weak side wing way too closely. The Rockets always had a guy slowly leaking toward the sideline to keep Bryan Russell honest in not getting too close to the post. Again Big Al...
Anyway, there it is with 4, 5, 6 options. Every team in the league runs this, it's about having the talent to do it well.
One other option (which Hayward and Millsap played last season), is swinging the ball out of that triangle an into the two man game on the other side.
*Edit, I forgot to add the screen shot where Drexler and Hakeem run a pick and roll. That was the main reason I want to see more of this play too. *dammit*
Why Favors needs to fix his jump shot... er jump clank.
Despite what the cheerleaders will tell you, hitting this shot at a 24% clip is why Corbin couldn't run it. That, and Spastic Mo couldn't resist the opportunity to hoist up a floater if he ever got this deep.
Standard side p&r (already running this).
Pull defenders in.
Ya, dat da Big Dawg.
Despite what the cheerleaders will tell you, hitting this shot at a 24% clip is why Corbin couldn't run it. That, and Spastic Mo couldn't resist the opportunity to hoist up a floater if he ever got this deep.
Standard side p&r (already running this).
Pull defenders in.
Ya, dat da Big Dawg.