Players only meeting.

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

I have an idea: Make them keep their gun in their trunk, and record every time they open the locker.

Also, why don't cops have smart guns?

I can imagine a number of situations where they need a weapon. Having the gun in their trunk doesn't work when someone pulls a gun on them for example. Would you like to be that cop? Having a taser or other non-lethal weapon probably does help them defend themselves in most cases. Is that good enough? Perhaps not. Hence it's complicated. But I would support trialing 'effective non-lethals'.

 

[Archie Moses]

I haven’t seen it either. Please elaborate (I am operating in good faith here).

I've written plenty about social injustice, police brutality and the need for change amongst police officers and their training.
I don't doubt that you haven't read it, but I assure you, I stand for the same things you and everyone else stands for. Having discussions about other things does not take away from anything.

 

[Archie Moses]

It’s a false equivalency and reinforces the wildly unfair advantage to the oppressor.

I'm not equating those two things. Like, ar all...

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

I'm not defending him. I also said it's wrong.

It's not racism though by definition or actuality. A white person is not minority or marginalized group. He is not being discriminated against. White people do not have prejudice against them for the color of their skin.

It's not comparable to saying a similar statement towards a black person.

If you want to make a difference stop thinking white people are also being subject to racism and victims. They are not. They might face other issues but their skin color is not one.

Maybe do some research on reverse racism. It's very interesting and useful information.

I get the argument you make. I am not here for a semantics battle. Who cares what you call it. It is not OK.

Most people are a minority in some phase of their lives. If you move to Colombia (as I did as a kid) and you are white, are you not the minority? If you are affiliated with a religion or creed or if you are homosexual... then are you not a minority in some circles and the majority in others? When I went to a mosque in Saudi Arabia around people I didn't know who didn't speak my language and people got mad and yelled 'Ameriqui!' at me... I felt like a minority. My gay friends go to a gay club in New York and they don't feel like the minority in the room, but others who are straight may. If you are a liberal at a Trump rally then you may temporarily feel like a minority in that crowd. In those situations, it is easy to belittle or overpower someone and it is easy to cross a line. In the NBA, white players are a situational form of minority. No doubt that is different than for our entire country as a whole and that our history cannot be ignored and the ongoing climate cannot be ignored.

Still, the minute that someone tries to subject another person through use of racially motivated comments, they are out of bounds. Call it what you will, I would call it an attempt to flex power over someone through the use of a racially motivated slur. Substitute the skin color and see how uncomfortable you are. It would have been an outrage and hence... it is not OK. If I am looking to create change, then I would take the high road. I would never encourage, defend, or support this behavior especially when I am telling others that they need to stop doing the same thing. That sentiment does not gain you much ground.

Harrel crossed a line. Don't cross it. Call it what you will... it doesn't help create change.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Butt wut havvs teh stryks dun at alll seriousli imma wait?

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

I get the argument you make. I am not here for a semantics battle. Who cares what you call it. It is not OK.

Most people are a minority in some phase of their lives. If you move to Colombia (as I did as a kid) and you are white, are you not the minority? If you are affiliated with a religion or creed or if you are homosexual... then are you not a minority in some circles and the majority in others? When I went to a mosque in Saudi Arabia around people I didn't know who didn't speak my language and people got mad and yelled 'Ameriqui!' at me... I felt like a minority. My gay friends go to a gay club in New York and they don't feel like the minority in the room, but others who are straight may. If you are a liberal at a Trump rally then you may temporarily feel like a minority in that crowd. In those situations, it is easy to belittle or overpower someone and it is easy to cross a line. In the NBA, white players are a situational form of minority. No doubt that is different than for our entire country as a whole and that our history cannot be ignored and the ongoing climate cannot be ignored.

Still, the minute that someone tries to subject another person through use of racially motivated comments, they are out of bounds. Call it what you will, I would call it an attempt to flex power over someone through the use of a racially motivated slur. Substitute the skin color and see how uncomfortable you are. It would have been an outrage and hence... it is not OK. If I am looking to create change, then I would take the high road. I would never encourage, defend, or support this behavior especially when I am telling others that they need to stop doing the same thing. That sentiment does not gain you much ground.

Harrel crossed a line. Don't cross it. Call it what you will... it doesn't help create change.

True but in my book all is forgiven with Harrell after his heartfelt apology to Luka. It took a big man to do what he did and Luka was also very gracious about it.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

I can imagine a number of situations where they need a weapon. Having the gun in their trunk doesn't work when someone pulls a gun on them for example. Would you like to be that cop? Having a taser or other non-lethal weapon probably does help them defend themselves in most cases. Is that good enough? Perhaps not. Hence it's complicated. But I would support trialing 'effective non-lethal' weapons.

In all 26 pages of this I have heard the following TANGIBLE ideas for making the change people want:

- A police reform bill getting scheduled to be voted on in a special vote (although I am not sure what is in the bill)
- Setting up sports arenas as voting precincts to encourage people to get out and vote
- The formation of task groups, coalitions, and marketing groups to pursue equality in specific cities and with specific clubs across different sports
- Potentially downgrading police arsenal in some fashion from lethal to effective non-lethal (perhaps is part of the police reform bill).
- Listening more
- Not crossing the line on and off the court and following Harrel's example by apologizing when we do
- Holding ourselves more accountable for being respectful on a sensitive subject (something that has been ignored by too many on this chat alone)

4 of those items were driven by the players, teams, and owners.

Does anyone else have any brilliant solutions? I have heard a lot more witch hunt banter about who is racist and who is not. Surely with the amount of intelligent people here we can come up with more tangible, objective targets to move the ball than Cy and Lopo calling each other racist or not (not helping fellas). There are plenty of people who want change but need more direction.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

True but in my book all is forgiven with Harrell after his heartfelt apology to Luka. It took a big man to do what he did and Luka was also very gracious about it.

Here here! And that's the change I hope for. Not banter about what is and isn't officially 'racism'. Respect for Harrell and Luka for a genuine correction and sincere acceptance of the apology. If we do more of this, we will all be in a better place. Healing and praiseworthy.

 

[DasJazz]

John Crawford was just shopping in a store and was shot before he could respond. Tamar Rice was killed within seconds. You are spouting ignorant drivel.



Last I checked, we weren't supposed to be living in a police state.

If you are being questioned by the police you should probably cooperate with their lawful orders. You know damn well what I was saying, don't play your lefty twisting of my words ********, it's petty.

 

[DasJazz]

I'm sorry, I must have missed your response to me earlier. What instructions did you say she disobeyed? Or Tamir Rice or Philando Castile?

Are you seriously saying that her boyfriend should be charged with her murder for shooting at armed intruders who broke in to his house? For defending his home? Kentucky is a stand your ground state, are you saying that doesn't apply in this case? Why not?

Yes I am seriously saying her boyfriend should be charged with her murder because he is the sole person who caused it to happen. Absolutely.

 

[LoPo]

Does anyone else have any brilliant solutions? I have heard a lot more witch hunt banter about who is racist and who is not. Surely with the amount of intelligent people here we can come up with more tangible, objective targets to move the ball than Cy and Lopo calling each other racist or not (not helping fellas). There are plenty of people who want change but need more direction.

I called him a son of a bitch for calling me a racist. Since then, he has called me racist a number of times and I have avoided confrontation. Please leave me out of your poor examples on who to come at.

My entire message is to have a system and a society where you treat everybody with the same level of respect. That has to be the foundation of this entire movement. If there is side picking in any way, shape or form, it's just a matter of time before it crumbles.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

In all 26 pages of this I have heard the following TANGIBLE ideas for making the change people want:

- A police reform bill getting scheduled to be voted on in a special vote (although I am not sure what is in the bill)
- Setting up sports arenas as voting precincts to encourage people to get out and vote
- The formation of task groups, coalitions, and marketing groups to pursue equality in specific cities and with specific clubs across different sports
- Potentially downgrading police arsenal in some fashion from lethal to effective non-lethal (perhaps is part of the police reform bill).
- Listening more
- Not crossing the line on and off the court and following Harrel's example by apologizing when we do
- Holding ourselves more accountable for being respectful on a sensitive subject (something that has been ignored by too many on this chat alone)

4 of those items were driven by the players, teams, and owners.

Does anyone else have any brilliant solutions? I have heard a lot more witch hunt banter about who is racist and who is not. Surely with the amount of intelligent people here we can come up with more tangible, objective targets to move the ball than Cy and Lopo calling each other racist or not (not helping fellas). There are plenty of people who want change but need more direction.

I am not letting people get away with the casual "shut up and dribble comments". I literally just ask them why does it make you so mad?

When they come with the I just want to be entertained... I will say "yeah but no one gets mad when the NFL wears pink jerseys for breast cancer awareness... no one says what about other forms of cancer... what about aids".

We have to have these uncomfortable one on one conversations.

 

[NAOS]

Butt wut havvs teh stryks dun at alll seriousli imma wait?

Why dont teh players persew the one thing dat fixes everthing immediately presto? Soooo dumb are they.

 

[One Brow]

Kind of surprising to see this from you. Rape is almost never about sexual gratification. It is an act of violence about control.

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You have taken language to indicate that rape is not about a woman making a man horny, and used it to say there is no sexual component to rape.

If you think punching a guy in the nuts is an act of rape, I would agree this is as well by that standard. Blake did the equivalent of punching someone in the groin.

 

[One Brow]

It isn't really the main focus of this thread, not that I really consider it a "discussion", but I think you need to re-evaluate what your understanding of rape is.
If an action crosses the boundary of what is rape even a little, it's rape. It doesn't matter if you are/were married to the person or not.

I agree that being married to someone, or not, does not affect if an act of rape. I referred to his being married in response to the notion of "predator". The connotation of predator is one who is seeking out addition prey. To my knowledge, Blake has not.

None of that is a defense of any sort for his actions, just an analysis of the type of threat he is.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Why dont teh players persew the one thing dat fixes everthing immediately presto? Soooo dumb are they.

Wut a joke... they didn't even get it passed yet. Even if they did it won't enact real change... but if it did enact real change it would j

 

[One Brow]

The length you go to defend some people and how fast you turn to condemn others is really impressive.

If someone described you by saying your " predation was about violence, intimidation, control, and abuse", would you take that as defending you?

 

[NAOS]

Wut a joke... they didn't even get it passed yet. Even if they did it won't enact real change... but if it did enact real change it would j

I juss lookd out my window and nuthin changed so ye

 

[One Brow]

Nope but when you are tazed, resist, have a knife in your possession you shouldn't complain about the obvious consequences. It doesn't take even a small IQ to know every single thing your hero rapist did will lead to being shot. It's common sense.

If he had a knife, then he deliberately tried to get into his car while holding it, meaning he was not threatening the police.

Thank God your hero will no longer have some of the means to oppress his woman. I know that bothers you but karma is a bitch.

I'm pretty sure he'll still find ways to abuse his wife. That's what abusers do. Perhaps you'd like everyone I think of as abusive to be shot?

 

[NAOS]

You have taken language to indicate that rape is not about a woman making a man horny, and used it to say there is no sexual component to rape.

If you think punching a guy in the nuts is an act of rape, I would agree this is as well by that standard. Blake did the equivalent of punching someone in the groin.

Woah bro. Definitely not.