Beantown
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Wow Josh Smith and Favors would be nuts.
Players that could be had for Memo TPE
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Wow Josh Smith and Favors would be nuts.
Hitman
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Josh Smith and Danny Granger earn too much to fit into the TPE.
Beantown
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Debbie Downer.
freakazoid
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I'm not sure I agree, but you make a good point. Thanks.
Ok, I'm with ya now.
Even though that scenario is a little misleading, I think it serves as a good example of the possibilities involved with the TPE. I think a lot of people get hung up on the fact that you can't combine it with a player's salary, and take that to mean it can't be used in a trade where other players are involved.
Not if there is one of our players involved in the trade.
Let's just say a Raja Bell, or a CJ Miles. The TPE should cover the difference.
No, can't combine the TPE with a player's salary to do that. The player we're trading for has to fit entirely within the TPE.
What *can* be done, is to trade say Raja Bell and the TPE for two players. But Raja for player1 has to work, and also TPE for player2 has to work separately.
billyshelby
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Probably not, at least as far as acquiring an actually good player with it.
Where the TPE might become more interesting is in the Cap Space Wars. Forgetting the Dwight/Deron sweepstakes, there are always teams looking to get as far under the cap as possible in order to make a FA splash. The Jazz can IMMEDIATELY shave 10 million dollars off another team's cap with the TPE. That's very valuable (and especially useful in 3 way deals.) So if they're willing to absorb a player, they can extract youth/draft picks for it.
So which teams are your candidates? I don't see anyone that is a contender for WowHard being able to get far enough underneath the cap that it's worth giving the Jazz a player the Jazz want. Teams tend to be either plenty under the cap this offseason or they're Fakers screwed.
Jazz4ever
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KOC was supposedly told to be "aggressive" with the TPE. However, there is no one on that list worth getting "aggressive" for except Rondo.
KOC might just throw enough picks and players Boston's way to make Ainge want to rebuild a little sooner than planned. Boston looked bad yesterday, KG and Ray are done.
KOC might just throw enough picks and players Boston's way to make Ainge want to rebuild a little sooner than planned. Boston looked bad yesterday, KG and Ray are done.
billyshelby
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Everyone is fixated on what "good" player the Jazz could get. But what we actually have is 10 million dollars of "cap space" for sale. In other words, we can sell somebody up to 10 million dollars of cap space by absorbing an unwanted contract(s) (though they would almost certainly have to be expirings). In return for this, the other team would be obligated to come up with an attractive package of picks/young players. This is why the best use of the TPE (in some portion) would likely come in a 3 team deal (with the Jazz playing facilitator.)
It's impossible to forecast these scenarios. What's (95%) guaranteed is that A) the Jazz aren't looking to make a splash in FA next year and B) Somebody else will want to but need more cap space.
billyshelby
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A similar way the TPE could be used is the deal that sent Maynor to OKC. In that deal, OKC didn't have a TPE, but they had the raw cap space to just absorb Harp and Maynor. We paid the price of Maynor to get rid of 8 million and salary (for something like a 13 million dollar savings considering the LT hits.)
The TPE can be used in the same way.
The TPE can be used in the same way.
Darkwing Duck
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Or do something similar to what the Cavs did. Took on a bigger contract to get a draft pick.
Something like Nocioni and the Sixers unprotected first round pick for a second rounder.
I get that Billy and have been saying the same thing. The problem is I don't see a single scenario that actually benefits both teams, although 3 team trades are difficult to work. Who's your candidate team? What are your best ideas? If it's taking a Maynor type player along with an 8 million expiring then big whoop.
billyshelby
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You only want homeruns for the TPE? If we didn't get the TPE, we would have been shooting for a late first for Memo. We were never likely to have a situation where somebody just gave us a star player free.
I said in another post, the TPE kills us if we were going to splurge this season in FA (and we really couldn't have anyway.) So having the TPE effectively increases the chances of getting value for Memo. Use of the TPE then has to be compared solely to what we might have got if we held on to him (a late first type value).
As a result, I'm not hoping or even thinking we'll fill it with a high dollar player. If we use it, we'll probably get a young player/pick. But if that player is better than a midseason trade for Memo, KOC wins.
GVC
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What about the TPE for Maggette, with Kemba (and picks?) thrown in next summer? Charlotte then has loads of caps space to sign Dwight and Deron in the offseason (I haven't done all the math).
Not sure if anyone else is as big a Kemba fan as I am, but I'd love a deal like this. With Maggette expiring in 2013, any plan to sign free agents that offseason is completely unchanged.
Not sure if anyone else is as big a Kemba fan as I am, but I'd love a deal like this. With Maggette expiring in 2013, any plan to sign free agents that offseason is completely unchanged.
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That would set back the rebuild three or four years. Giving up all that to have Howard for one year is ridiculous. You don't trade a solid vet, a potential high draft pick in one of the best drafts in a long time besides throwing in another young player (lottery) pick to rent Dwight Howard for 60 games. The Jazz will not win a championship with only Howard who is looking at the door so he can go play with DW.
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