Police Brutality‎

[ema]

When are they gonna quit shooting people at the smallest danger?

https://newsone.com/2735867/jack-lamar-roberson-waycross-georgia-police/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJacEzgqzEE

 

[♪alt13]

I just tried to look up the statistic for how many people police shoot each year. Instead I found this.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/deadly-force/142-dead-and-rising/national-data-shootings-police-not-collected

Can this be true? I find it hard to believe that we don't collect data on officer involved shootings in this country, but I can't find the statistic.

 

[Stoked]

I just tried to look up the statistic for how many people police shoot each year. Instead I found this.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/deadly-force/142-dead-and-rising/national-data-shootings-police-not-collected

Can this be true? I find it hard to believe that we don't collect data on officer involved shootings in this country, but I can't find the statistic.

I find that hard to believe as well. Perhaps they do and just list it as classified?

Also it is easy to attack a cop for that until you are in that situation and have to make that decision.

 

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I find that hard to believe as well. Perhaps they do and just list it as classified?

Also it is easy to attack a cop for that until you are in that situation and have to make that decision.

If it was collected and listed as classified I don't know if that would make me feel better or worse.

I don't think tracking statistics to reveal trends is in anyway attacking anyone.

 

[Stoked]

If it was collected and listed as classified I don't know if that would make me feel better or worse.

I don't think tracking statistics to reveal trends is in anyway attacking anyone.

Sorry the attacking part was a general statement and not directed at you in any way. Just with these threads that is usually the way it goes.

 

[dodo]

While on the subject

https://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2013/10/05/pkg-carroll-atlantic-city-beating.cnn

Now, the guy didn't die, but since when is yelling obsenities at a police officer justified to unleash a K-9 dog and since when 4-5 police officers cannot subdue a regular guy without beating the **** out of him

 

[LogGrad98]

I just tried to look up the statistic for how many people police shoot each year. Instead I found this.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/deadly-force/142-dead-and-rising/national-data-shootings-police-not-collected

Can this be true? I find it hard to believe that we don't collect data on officer involved shootings in this country, but I can't find the statistic.

Probably collected, not published.

 

[LogGrad98]

While on the subject

https://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2013/10/05/pkg-carroll-atlantic-city-beating.cnn

Now, the guy didn't die, but since when is yelling obsenities at a police officer justified to unleash a K-9 dog and since when 4-5 police officers cannot subdue a regular guy without beating the **** out of him

What is a regular guy? In the Rodney King case they argued that the drugs (PCP) he was using made him almost impossible to restrain, although he was not found to have any in his system, but even without it he was able to stand up with 2 or 3 cops on his back and shrug them off after they took him to the ground once. But something like that can make it very difficult to restrain someone, as can higher than average strength of the individual relative to the cops. I have a very hard time blaming the cops when I was not there and am arm-chair jurying.

 

[ema]

Being cautious is nice, but no empathy for victim?

Btw, I in no way opened this thread for bashing the police all together, but these incidents are no way sporadic so I'm sure there are somethings wrong.

 

[dodo]

What is a regular guy? In the Rodney King case they argued that the drugs (PCP) he was using made him almost impossible to restrain, although he was not found to have any in his system, but even without it he was able to stand up with 2 or 3 cops on his back and shrug them off after they took him to the ground once. But something like that can make it very difficult to restrain someone, as can higher than average strength of the individual relative to the cops. I have a very hard time blaming the cops when I was not there and am arm-chair jurying.

So that justifies a K-9 dog allowed to go for his neck? And all this for what? For yelling smack at the police? Since when is that crime?

There are so many cases of police using excessive force lately, it does look like a trend. There was a book released recently, “Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America’s Police Forces.” in which the author argues precisely this point. Slate had a nice article on it [1]...

[1] https://www.salon.com/2013/07/10/mi..._i_thought_they_were_going_to_shoot_me_next”/

 

[♪alt13]

What is a regular guy? In the Rodney King case they argued that the drugs (PCP) he was using made him almost impossible to restrain, although he was not found to have any in his system, but even without it he was able to stand up with 2 or 3 cops on his back and shrug them off after they took him to the ground once. But something like that can make it very difficult to restrain someone, as can higher than average strength of the individual relative to the cops. I have a very hard time blaming the cops when I was not there and am arm-chair jurying.

Why? That is what a jury is for. Do you find it hard to blame fellow citizens when they are unjustifiably violent? Cops for sure have a tough job but if their actions aren't justifiable they need to be held accountable.

 

[LogGrad98]

Why? That is what a jury is for. Do you find it hard to blame fellow citizens when they are unjustifiably violent? Cops for sure have a tough job but if their actions aren't justifiable they need to be held accountable.

I would certainly hope a jury would have more information than we do at this point.

And please point out where in my other post I said it was all justifiable. I was merely presenting the case as it was defended in the Rodney King issue. I never said everything a cop does is justified. Don't be a moron.

 

[franklin]

While on the subject

https://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2013/10/05/pkg-carroll-atlantic-city-beating.cnn

Now, the guy didn't die, but since when is yelling obsenities at a police officer justified to unleash a K-9 dog and since when 4-5 police officers cannot subdue a regular guy without beating the **** out of him

I'd like an unedited video to base a decision on. His attorney trained "I told them I'm not resisting" testimony doesn't mean anything yet.

 

[♪alt13]

I'd like an unedited video to base a decision on. His attorney trained "I told them I'm not resisting" testimony doesn't mean anything yet.

There is no way they can justify sicking that dog on him.

 

[♪alt13]

over the top
https://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/10/02/evexp-woman-suing-over-strip-search-dui-arrest.hln.html

 

[VINYLONE]

I can only speak on my experience here in LA with LAPD and what seems like the constant barrage of articles of excessive force that are written. In this city, our LE have a perception problem. This perception is not helped when non-emergency calls turn fatal. I won't say how but I do have a personal connection with the LAPD so I sometimes here inside information. That said, it seems that the LAPD along with many other LE agencies around the country are getting more and more militarized when violent crime is at it's lowest it's been in decades. Crime, specifically here in LA, is also at it's lowest rate in decades. So why the change in armament? Kind of makes you wonder.

Personally, I believe LE needs to be held to a very, very high standard, especially since they're being given the power of arrest and the ability to kill. Furthermore, I think they all need to be outfitted with body cameras.

Earlier in the year, the NYT wrote an article on a police force here in LA county being outfitted with cameras. The results of the "experiment" were not surprising.

https://www.policefoundation.org/content/body-worn-cameras-police-use-force

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/business/wearable-video-cameras-for-police-officers.html?_r=2&

 

[♪alt13]

I can only speak on my experience here in LA with LAPD and what seems like the constant barrage of articles of excessive force that are written. In this city, our LE have a perception problem. This perception is not helped when non-emergency calls turn fatal. I won't say how but I do have a personal connection with the LAPD so I sometimes here inside information. That said, it seems that the LAPD along with many other LE agencies around the country are getting more and more militarized when violent crime is at it's lowest it's been in decades. Crime, specifically here in LA, is also at it's lowest rate in decades. So why the change in armament? Kind of makes you wonder.

Personally, I believe LE needs to be held to a very, very high standard, especially since they're being given the power of arrest and the ability to kill. Furthermore, I think they all need to be outfitted with body cameras.

Earlier in the year, the NYT wrote an article on a police force here in LA county being outfitted with cameras. The results of the "experiment" were not surprising.

https://www.policefoundation.org/content/body-worn-cameras-police-use-force

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/business/wearable-video-cameras-for-police-officers.html?_r=2&

This^

 

[LogGrad98]

I can only speak on my experience here in LA with LAPD and what seems like the constant barrage of articles of excessive force that are written. In this city, our LE have a perception problem. This perception is not helped when non-emergency calls turn fatal. I won't say how but I do have a personal connection with the LAPD so I sometimes here inside information. That said, it seems that the LAPD along with many other LE agencies around the country are getting more and more militarized when violent crime is at it's lowest it's been in decades. Crime, specifically here in LA, is also at it's lowest rate in decades. So why the change in armament? Kind of makes you wonder.

Personally, I believe LE needs to be held to a very, very high standard, especially since they're being given the power of arrest and the ability to kill. Furthermore, I think they all need to be outfitted with body cameras.

Earlier in the year, the NYT wrote an article on a police force here in LA county being outfitted with cameras. The results of the "experiment" were not surprising.

https://www.policefoundation.org/content/body-worn-cameras-police-use-force

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/business/wearable-video-cameras-for-police-officers.html?_r=2&

Nice viny, repped accordingly.

One comment in the article stuck with me.

“We don’t like the networks of police-run video cameras that are being set up in an increasing number of cities. We don’t think the government should be watching over the population en masse.” But requiring police officers to wear video cameras is different, he says: “When it comes to the citizenry watching the government, we like that.”

Makes me wonder if we could add cameras all over the place. Say in a politician's office. And what about streaming it real-time. I know there are lots of things that shouldn't always be released to the public and readily available to viewers of all ages, such as instances of deadly force, but a live stream situation where you can see what a cop is doing in real-time would be an interesting concept.

 

[Stoked]

Being cautious is nice, but no empathy for victim?

Btw, I in no way opened this thread for bashing the police all together, but these incidents are no way sporadic so I'm sure there are somethings wrong.

Are there cases where the police are completely in the wrong? Absolutely. I feel for the victims. But American society generally tends to view positions of authority with distrust. Guilty until proven innocent. So anytime something happens it is automatically the cops fault. Even when that is not the case there are those that will argue that it is.