GVC
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What the **** is a "hippy", you ignorant ****?
Police Brutality
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GVC
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Go **** yourself.
Archie Moses
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I seriously feel bad for GVC's parents.
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Deleted member 848
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Yeah, he probably devoured all of the munches in the family pantry on a weekly basis.
Archie Moses
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Archie Moses
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Being tackled by a 300 pound man on concrete could have had the same results if she hit her head.
GVC
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Grabbing (or even tackling) her would have been both safer and permitted under Florida Highway Patrol guidelines. Just like this 19 year-old girl should be held responsible for leaving the scene of an accident, this cop should be held responsible for this unapproved use of his taser.
Again,
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?9032-Police-Brutality&p=261714&viewfull=1#post261714
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Wasn't as awesome as Archie said it was going to be, admittedly.
Yeah, but even being tackled you have more control over how your body lands.
Honestly, the dude just looks lazy here. I would understand it more if he had been chasing her for a long time, but he was right there. I understand your viewpoint that if you run from the cops, bad stuff is going to happen to you, but the situation could have been handled with more intelligence and effort.
Get him pit bull, get him. Bite his ****ing ears and non-bobbed tail.
From the same article
Another article mentions they have 164 taser related deaths from 2009-2011.
I couldn't find the number of those deaths that were attributed to other factors, or if the taser shocks caused or contributed to those deaths.
I did find some stats on Police Officers that were killed or injured from 92-97, but I was hoping to find stats for the same time period
https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfar0029.txt
It shows 887 police officers were killed in the line of duty. Quite a few of them were considered Homicides. I also showed injuries and that quite a few were related to assaults.
I am curious to know if the increased use of tasers has reduced the number of officers that have died or been injured in the line of duty.
I also think that there should be better policies as to the use of tasers. Some officers have become very lazy in their use when they should use some other method. They should not use them on children, old people, and people with other issues if they know.
We also need to understand that officers are put in harms way often, and are expected to make split second decisions with little or no information or knowledge about a situation or the people involved. It's easy to sit here behind a computer, watching youtube and reading an article to say they should have made some other choice, but if we were behind the badge we don't know what we would have done.
The truth of this is probably somewhere in the middle... like most issues are.
The police should have some policy changes and adjust when the use of tasers are allowed, and hold the officers responsible if they do not adhere to those rules.
People also need to realize that when you ignore the authority of the police, and run from them, you have by that act put yourself into a situation that you do not control the results/consequences. You have put the ball in the court of someone else, that police officer in this situation, and you have no choice and will get whatever result comes your way. It would be nice if the police officers could handle every situation perfectly every time, but that is not realistic. If you don't want to get tased, cooperate.... or run faster or something.
If you are arguing the legality of it, there was no legal action taken on the officer and he was found guilty of no wrong doing.
If you are arguing the morality of it, go ahead, we are always up for a good "morality" thread here.
GVC
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An internal investigation cleared him of any wrong doing. A lawsuit is coming, however, which will challenge the legality of the officer's action. Given Franklin's posts, it certainly seems as though the officer used his taser inappropriately, but we'll see how this all ends, I suppose.
So this is a criminal lawsuit, or a civil lawsuit?
Are they looking to get him jail time,or pay money?
I don't think we fully know what tasers do to people when they have one or more drugs in their system. No real way to test that. I am thinking the coma has more to do with the coke and other stuff in her system than the blow to the head... but I'm no expert.
I'm going to speculate that tasers have not reduced the death rate by much. Sure there are some instances where an officer loses control of a suspect and ends up getting killed. However, my guess is most officer homicides are instances where the officers should never pull the taser instead of the gun. I'll use the recent Ogden slaying we discussed as example.
FWIW, this is pretty much exaclty what is in that FHP manual I posted.
I more or less agree with your entire post except this part where you fail to condemn the officer for making a terrible decision. There was nothing split second about it. This was a very routine part of an officer's work and he was well prepared to make a better decision. If this were anywhere close to a questionable decision, and it was not, then I would back the officer 100% by giving him the benefit of the doubt.
In my reading, based on stats that are a bit old, there has been a drop in the number of deaths of police officers after they started using tasers. To be fair, they have also been using tasers quite a bit more lately which increases the number of issues with civilians even if the percentages stay the same.
If by condemn, you mean give him jail time, then no I don't condemn him.
"neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more".
andenjoytheride
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Running from the cops is justifiable to use the taser but, lets be honest the cop just wanted to use the taser.
Oh great. Archieclown and trout are demanding the police taser handicapped old ladies fleeing in wheelchairs and you want to let all the murderers and rapists out of prison. Where has this world gone?