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I've said it before and I'll say it again, the D's and R's are just two sides of the same coin. If we are in serious trouble with our national debt and everybody in DC knows it, why hasn't either party done anything to reduce it? In the last 10-20 years, both party's have had their turn to "steer the ship" and what have they done? They piss and moan about what a crappy job the other guys are doing steering and then when they get their turn to stick to the same course.
 
MoreFeasts said:
The article refers to approval ratings of the President beng divided along party lines.
There was no discussion of divisions between people. You could infer such divisions, but there are other explanations. I think the divisions are more products of the media manipulating perceptions of politicans, rather then actual divisions regarding opinions on policy.
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you are getting into why they are divided and I did not . I simply used a poll that accurately shows they are.
 
MoreFeasts said:
I would put J Stewart in the same category....
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See, that's ridiculous. And I mean absolutely ridiculous. Limbaugh has made countless racist, sexist, horribly hateful statements. He has put down black, women, abused prisoner in Iraq, the disabled, and who know who else I can't think of at the moment. Beck is not quite up there with Limbaugh, but has had his own share of terribly hateful comments. And somehow, Jon Stewart is in the same category? When has Jon Stewart berated an entire ethnic, cultural, or gender group?

It's one thing to say people on both sides contribute to this, but it's quite another thing to say that it's somehow equal in magnitude. It's pretty obvious that lunatics on the right are a lot more dangerous than the ones on the left and a lot more at fault for ****ing up America. You need look no further than the difference in impact of the Occupy movement and the Tea Party.
 
JimLes said:
See, that's ridiculous. And I mean absolutely ridiculous. Limbaugh has made countless racist, sexist, horribly hateful statements. He has put down black, women, abused prisoner in Iraq, the disabled, and who know who else I can't think of at the moment. Beck is not quite up there with Limbaugh, but has had his own share of terribly hateful comments. And somehow, Jon Stewart is in the same category? When has Jon Stewart berated an entire ethnic, cultural, or gender group?

It's one thing to say people on both sides contribute to this, but it's quite another thing to say that it's somehow equal in magnitude. It's pretty obvious that lunatics on the right are a lot more dangerous than the ones on the left and a lot more at fault for ****ing up America. You need look no further than the difference in impact of the Occupy movement and the Tea Party.
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Serious question cause i know nothing of politics..... Who is the "right" and who is the "left"? And a bonus question: why are they called the right or the left?
 
JimLes said:
See, that's ridiculous. And I mean absolutely ridiculous. Limbaugh has made countless racist, sexist, horribly hateful statements. He has put down black, women, abused prisoner in Iraq, the disabled, and who know who else I can't think of at the moment. Beck is not quite up there with Limbaugh, but has had his own share of terribly hateful comments. And somehow, Jon Stewart is in the same category? When has Jon Stewart berated an entire ethnic, cultural, or gender group?

It's one thing to say people on both sides contribute to this, but it's quite another thing to say that it's somehow equal in magnitude. It's pretty obvious that lunatics on the right are a lot more dangerous than the ones on the left and a lot more at fault for ****ing up America. You need look no further than the difference in impact of the Occupy movement and the Tea Party.
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I watch Stewart more often than most other things on TV, but he toes the Democratic line consistently, right or wrong. I was not saying that he is as hateful or stupid as some others, I'm just saying that he is not particularly objective. He does not include 3rd party perspectives at all in the discussion.
 
Right = Republican, Establishment, Conservative.
Left = Democrat, New Ideas, (In theory)

The stances on particular issues can change.
For example , historically, Republicans may have supported environmental conservation, but now they are not known for that. A few decades ago, the Democrats may have been thought of as favoring reduced military spending, but in practice both parties increase spending on weapons.
 
MoreFeasts said:
He does not include 3rd party perspectives at all in the discussion.
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He's a Democrat supporter! What perspective should he include? It's like complaining that we don't give the Lakers enough credit around here. Of course we don't. We're Jazz Nation. The Lakers suck and should all get crabs as far as I'm concerned.
 
JimLes said:
He's a Democrat supporter! What perspective should he include? It's like complaining that we don't give the Lakers enough credit around here. Of course we don't. We're Jazz Nation. The Lakers suck and should all get crabs as far as I'm concerned.
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I was respoonding to Bronco. I thought he was saying that Stewart was NOT a Democrat sheeple.
 
MoreFeasts said:
I was respoonding to Bronco. I thought he was saying that Stewart was NOT a Democrat sheeple.
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There's a difference between having a political view and being a sheep. Stewart is much more likely to poke fun at FoxNews, but occasionally targets MSNBC for it's polarization and CNN for it's vapidity. Stewart is more likely to target Republican politicians for saying stupid things, but does occasionally poke Democrats as well.
 
One Brow said:
There's a difference between having a political view and being a sheep. Stewart is much more likely to poke fun at FoxNews, but occasionally targets MSNBC for it's polarization and CNN for it's vapidity. Stewart is more likely to target Republican politicians for saying stupid things, but does occasionally poke Democrats as well.
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So what is your point? It sounds like you are arguing with me, but your statements are in line with my statements, except now we are getting into nitty gritty semantics over the definition of sheep.
So you agree that Stewart generally supports the Democratic line on policy issues (right or wrong) , and rarely , if ever, brings any alternative viewpoint (def: not Dem or GOP) into the discussion (except maybe to mock them).
 
MoreFeasts said:
So what is your point? It sounds like you are arguing with me, but your statements are in line with my statements, except now we are getting into nitty gritty semantics over the definition of sheep.
So you agree that Stewart generally supports the Democratic line on policy issues (right or wrong) , and rarely if ever brings any alternative viewpoint (def: not Dem or GOP) into the discussion.
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I'd like to take this time to introduce you to One Brow.
 
MoreFeasts said:
So you agree that Stewart generally supports the Democratic line on policy issues (right or wrong) , and rarely , if ever, brings any alternative viewpoint (def: not Dem or GOP) into the discussion (except maybe to mock them).
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I think Stewart had set political views, and the Democratic party line is currently more in accord with those view. However, he'll disagree with the Democrats over issues like civil liberties and corporate giveaways.

Stewart rarely brings in any viewpoint at all, except to mock it, whether alternative or mainstream.
 
Stoked said:
I'd like to take this time to introduce you to One Brow.
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Howdy! I pick nits and make fine distinction when I think they are important. Stoked is not like that at all, so he can use derision regarding those traits and not seem at all hypocritical. :)
 
One Brow said:
Howdy! I pick nits and make fine distinction when I think they are important. Stoked is not like that at all, so he can use derision regarding those traits and not seem at all hypocritical. :)
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That was funny and I don't care what you think about it!

Also I would like to point out that I never said that those nitty, gritty semantics are unimportant now did I?
 
MoreFeasts said:
but if John is mocking poeple who say one thing, is he not then supporting the opposite viewpoint ?
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1) There are more than two viewpoints on most issues
2) Stewart is much more likely to mock the hyperbole and theater than the actual position (well, unless the position itself is completely nutty, such as Akin's comments on rape). He will occasionally editorialize against a position, though, in support of another one.
 
I like John, his staff does a good job, and I agree with him more often than not, but I think that the screaming fans of his that think anything he says is golden are seriously mistaken. I would repeat the same thing about Obama, Romney, Biden, that Winconsin nut, most of Fox, and Opra in particular. I think all of these celebrities have a fan base that thinks they have some great insight and intelligence that put them in a position as leaders and movers of public opinion, but frankly all of those people are quite naive in their understanding of what's good for the country. They are good at being popular, but their understanding of the country's economic problems are infantile. JMHO.
 
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