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Jerry Lundegaard

Jerry Lundegaard

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You guys remind me of Cubs fans here in Chicago, with that perverse affinity for wanting to jump off a cliff.

We have the best roster, personnel wise, since 1998. However, it takes a little time for things to develop. This is all their first time playing in this scenario.

The two X-factors are C.J. Miles and Paul Millsap. They both have shown all-star potential, and we're probably undefeated this season when they both play well. Both of them are in their first full season in their respective roles. Once they develop consistency, we will be tough MFers to beat.

Obviously we would all like for that to be sooner, rather than later, but I have a feeling we'll be rolling by late March. No matter what seed we get in the playoffs, the way we'll be playing, I like our chances.

Just a rough stretch of games right now.
 
chitownjazz said:
You guys remind me of Cubs fans here in Chicago, with that perverse affinity for wanting to jump off a cliff.

We have the best roster, personnel wise, since 1998. However, it takes a little time for things to develop. This is all their first time playing in this scenario.

The two X-factors are C.J. Miles and Paul Millsap. They both have shown all-star potential, and we're probably undefeated this season when they both play well. Both of them are in their first full season in their respective roles. Once they develop consistency, we will be tough MFers to beat.

Obviously we would all like for that to be sooner, rather than later, but I have a feeling we'll be rolling by late March. No matter what seed we get in the playoffs, the way we'll be playing, I like our chances.

Just a rough stretch of games right now.
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dude, this stretch of games has been worse than "rough"; they've truly been unmitigated disasters. We were beat by two bottom-dwellers in the east, and then totally outclassed/embarrassed by the Celtics. Take a good look at the past 15-18 games and tell me where you are getting so much confidence. Please be specific.
 
The Jazz haven't really clicked all season. I blame Little Al Jeffersuck. Can we trade him for Luke Walton somehow? That dude knows how to win.
 
Just a horrible thread on every imaginable level. Everyone who is realistic about this hapless team's chances are POUTY LOSERS? Your terrible post reminds me of people spouting of similar excuses over the course of the last two seasons: "Oh, give them time, they are still young." "Oh, wait until they get healthy, then they'll be a force to be reckoned with." "Oh, they just need time to gel, at which point we will dominate." Open your freaking eyes and stop being such a clueless homer. I can't believe you are still resorting to the same old ******** excuses even after this club's recent ineptitude. Terrible, terrible thread. I would neg rep you, but your other posts seem to be not this utterly dumb. So I will not.
 
chitownjazz said:
You guys remind me of Cubs fans here in Chicago, with that perverse affinity for wanting to jump off a cliff....

...but I have a feeling we'll be rolling by late March. No matter what seed we get in the playoffs, the way we'll be playing, I like our chances...
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LOL, and you sound like a Cubs fan, always optimistic about the future...

but the truth is probably somewhere in between the pollyannas and the doomsayers

reading Brian Smith's TribJazz twitter doesn't make things sound too promising however
https://twitter.com/tribjazz
 
chitownjazz said:
You guys remind me of Cubs fans here in Chicago, with that perverse affinity for wanting to jump off a cliff.

We have the best roster, personnel wise, since 1998. However, it takes a little time for things to develop. This is all their first time playing in this scenario.

The two X-factors are C.J. Miles and Paul Millsap. They both have shown all-star potential, and we're probably undefeated this season when they both play well. Both of them are in their first full season in their respective roles. Once they develop consistency, we will be tough MFers to beat.

Obviously we would all like for that to be sooner, rather than later, but I have a feeling we'll be rolling by late March. No matter what seed we get in the playoffs, the way we'll be playing, I like our chances.

Just a rough stretch of games right now.
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I'm hoping Al Jefferson is having a Richard Jefferson type first season while with the Spurs. His second season has been much better.
 
I'll echo that pouty loser Deron Williams who said "Now it's past the halfway point. So we've got to realize this is who we're going to be, and if that's the case, we're a .500 team".

https://www.deseretnews.com/mobile/article/700102654/Road-gets-much-tougher-tonight-for-stumbling-Utah-Jazz.html

But the silver lining is that after tonight, the schedule really gets even easier as they go play the Lakers in Staples and come home to play the Spurs. Then, when CJ and Millsap develop consistency, after all these years of being inconsistent, the Jazz will be tough to beat.
 
What's wrong with having some optimism? I also don't understand why everyone is acting like the season is over. We are within reach of the 3 seed. The Mavs have been playing like crap, Denver will likely blow up their franchise, even the Lakers have had rough stretches. I realize we need a change to the lineup and maybe a trade of some sorts, but let's see how our guys respond this next week and go from there. It's a long season.
 
Here are some numbers:

Jazz Record

1st 20 games - 15/5
Since - 12/11

In groups of 10

1-10 - 7/3
11-20 - 8/2
21-30 - 6/4
31-40 - 6/4
Since - 0/3

Not a very encouraging trend. We tore it up our first 20 games then have played about .500 basketball since. And don't let too many of those miracle come from behind wins fool you. They were just that, miracles. The reason they don't happen very often is because teams cannot sustain any kind of success with that kind of play. Fun while they last, no indicator of future success at all.

Bottom line is that the Jazz are a mediocre team this year. The hope is that they can continue playing .500 or above basketball so they can make the playoffs, but we are likely not going to make any noise. Time to shake things up.
 
The thing that I think most posters on this board, and lots of fans, me included, are tired of is the Jazz FO every year since Deron was drafted talking about "internal improvement". KOC when asked during the Bozzer years whether the team would make any moves said he wanted to see what we could do when healthy, then when Bozzer was healthy (I know, hard to believe, right?) the mantra changed to "growth of players" "time to gel" "internal improvement" and has been since. Sap and CJ are who they are. They are not going to turn into all-stars overnight. Hell we have been waiting for CJ's vaunted all-star break-out season for how many years now (seemed to always be predicted as the next season...hmm). We all thought (me included although I was more guardedly optimistic about it) that Sap could fill Bozzer's shoes, but so far he has simply not. Even his defense is slipping of late, the one thing he certainly did better than Bozzer. We did not do one thing to help ourselves at center, and we let our one fairly consistent wing go (Mathews) and the one who could shoot (Korver) and expected somehow to be better? (don't fool yourselves, AJ is not a center, he is a PF playing center)

I for one would just like to see them go for....something else. We have made countless suggestions on this board again and again, which shows that although we fans don't have the insider knowledge, there are options out there to consider. And I do not believe any more than KOC considers many options. Sloan wants a certain type of player, and that's it. And the type of player he wants is someone with modest talent and skills that plays hard and follows instructions. This makes for a team Sloan can coach, but hardly builds a true championship contender.
 
sportsnut1232 said:
What's wrong with having some optimism? I also don't understand why everyone is acting like the season is over. We are within reach of the 3 seed. The Mavs have been playing like crap, Denver will likely blow up their franchise, even the Lakers have had rough stretches. I realize we need a change to the lineup and maybe a trade of some sorts, but let's see how our guys respond this next week and go from there. It's a long season.
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Nothing is wrong with having some optimism, but being blindly optimistic and criticizing those who hate the way the team continues to play is wrong. I always have optimism with the team, but they have just had their asses handed to them by two of the worst teams in the league, and then were steamrolled by a really good Boston team, exposing them as the pretenders they have been. They have been mediocre at home and are leveling off on the road. Their slow starts, which were overcome earlier, are now really hurting them and all we hear is that there is no plan to change the starting lineup. There are grumbles that players still don't know the offense.

I haven't been a Sloan basher for about 20 years, but right now I keep waiting for him to do something, anything, that shows that he is trying to fix this. Instead, he runs out the same lineup, the same substitutions and expects different results. The only time anything changes is when there is an injury. This only increases my frustration because I don't see any reason that Hayward should have gone back to the end of the bench after his 2-3 game stint when given minutes. He was productive and showed that he was starting to understand what they were doing. Instead, he goes back to watch Miles shoot the ball almost every time he touches it, or Raja Bell have zero impact on offense.

Then there is Al Jefferson. I was excited when I heard the Jazz acquired him for next to nothing and had visions of him being our Gasol, the guy that other teams bitch about because he didn't cost the Jazz anything. Instead, he has become our Zach Randolph, a guy who has no concept of what it takes to win in the NBA but can pad a statsheet, except Randolph gets rebounds and sometimes shows toughness. I will admit that I didn't spend much time watching Al Jefferson play in Boston or Minnesota, but I can now understand why his teams sucked. He needs to figure out how to adapt to the Jazz offense rather than stopping the Jazz offense and he needs to figure it out now.

Until that happens, I will just sit with the other pouty losers and watch this team spiral down the tubes.
 
YB85 said:
Nothing is wrong with having some optimism, but being blindly optimistic and criticisizing those who hate the way the team continues to play is wrong. I always have optimism with the team, but they have just had their asses handed to them by two of the worst teams in the league, and then were steamrolled by a really good Boston team, exposing them as the pretenders they have been. They have been mediocre at home and are leveling off on the road. Their slow starts, which were overcome earlier, are now really hurting them and all we hear is that there is no plan to change the starting lineup. There are grumbles that players still don't know the offense.

I haven't been a Sloan basher for about 20 years, but right now I keep waiting for him to do something, anything, that shows that he is trying to fix this. Instead, he runs out the same lineup, the same substitutions and expects different results. The only time anything changes is when there is an injury. This only increases my frustration because I don't see any reason that Hayward should have gone back to the end of the bench after his 2-3 game stint when given minutes. He was productive and showed that he was starting to understand what they were doing. Instead, he goes back to watch Miles shoot the ball almost every time he touches it, or Raja Bell have zero impact on offense.

Then there is Al Jefferson. I was excited when I heard the Jazz acquired him for next to nothing and had visions of him being our Gasol, the guy that other teams bitch about because he didn't cost the Jazz anything. Instead, he has become our Zach Randolph, a guy who has no concept of what it takes to win in the NBA but can pad a statsheet, except Randolph gets rebounds and sometimes shows toughness. I will admit that I didn't spend much time watching Al Jefferson play in Boston or Minnesota, but I can now understand why his teams sucked. He needs to figure out how to adapt to the Jazz offense rather than stopping the Jazz offense and he needs to figure it out now.

Until that happens, I will just sit with the other pouty losers and watch this team spiral down the tubes.
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iawtp
 
Inn Dawn said:
Just a horrible thread on every imaginable level. Everyone who is realistic about this hapless team's chances are POUTY LOSERS? Your terrible post reminds me of people spouting of similar excuses over the course of the last two seasons: "Oh, give them time, they are still young." "Oh, wait until they get healthy, then they'll be a force to be reckoned with." "Oh, they just need time to gel, at which point we will dominate." Open your freaking eyes and stop being such a clueless homer. I can't believe you are still resorting to the same old ******** excuses even after this club's recent ineptitude. Terrible, terrible thread. I would neg rep you, but your other posts seem to be not this utterly dumb. So I will not.
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Wow, that was a bit mean. It even hurt my feelings. Stuff like that cuts to the bone. :D
 
What this team needs right now is to remember who they are, not settle for who they have become. It sounds entirely counter-intuitive, but I would love to see them come home to a crowd that is with them through thick and thin--not fairweather fans. It will never happen, but an upbeat and energetic crowd certainly could not hurt this team right now.
 
vegas said:
What this team needs right now is to remember who they are, not settle for who they have become. It sounds entirely counter-intuitive, but I would love to see them come home to a crowd that is with them through thick and thin--not fairweather fans. It will never happen, but an upbeat and energetic crowd certainly could not hurt this team right now.
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I've actually been thinking and hoping that come Wednesday vs the Spurs, the team/fans are pumped from a victory in LA that they forget about all of these ******** losses. That's what needs to happen. They're dwelling on mistakes and not working towards improving. These first quarter starts have been brutal, and is one of the biggest factors in the losses, digging themselves a hole. Focus, determination and a little bit of work will get them out of this slump and back into the running. We've all seen what the Jazz CAN do this season, now they need to show us again.
 
Bottom line is that the Jazz are a mediocre team this year. The hope is that they can continue playing .500 or above basketball so they can make the playoffs, but we are likely not going to make any noise. Time to shake things up.[/QUOTE]

They are not a mediocre team! I have seen them be very good, the players aren't playing as hard or as well as they did earlier in the year. Milsap is struggling and playing like a pansy even Ak was much better than now, remember when he could hit a jumper, D-Will's #'s are down as well. Remember how how good the deffense was at the start. I don't know if they are slumping or just not interested in playing hard or what ever. What I'm trying to say is this is a talented team.
 
Yes, this stretch is like watching yourself be kicked in the junk - but I guarantee they turn it around. No major moves will be made. Guaranteed. Now, where's my Jameson
 
I'm frustrated with the losses for sure. Heck I'm frustrated when the summer league team loses! But, we aren't the only team in the league to go through a losing streak, Miami has gone through a couple, Dallas had a horrible stretch, LA has lost a few in a row. We aren't the only ones. The Jazz need to dig themselves out of this stretch by not feeling sorry for themselves anymore and complaining all game long and just play. Play hard, leave it all out there on the floor, and then see what happens. Right now it's self-pity and laziness that is getting them in trouble in the W/L category.
 
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