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Paper_McGibblets said:
Base/supporters are synonymous, to be fair. Not sure what your point is.
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Yes, for the most part, but I think there is a distinction.

Supporters might come and go based on multiple different criteria, your base is the core of your support, those whose interests and/or ideologies match closely enough with your own that you can rely on their support without hesitation.

I've said it before, you don't have to be a racist to support Donald Trump. Many who support him are NOT racists. But if you are a racist then Trump is your guy. Racists haven't had a stronger ally in high office at any point in my lifetime.
 
franklin said:
Yeah, loans. Because they have been begging for a bailout for a long time now. Their infrastructure problem is not simply a storm created problem. You act like we are not sending them FEMA aid, mobilizing the military, and the Red Cross and other charitable organizations aren't on the move.

The loans have nothing to do with the storm but with pre-existing conditions. You can get your ****ing loans panties in a wad.
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I’m not acting like that at all, where did I say they weren’t getting any help? They certainly aren’t getting enough, Which is obvious to everyone regardless of what dear leader would like us to believe. You are right 5hough, that due to bad governance PR is badly in debt. I happen to think that saddling the people of PR with even more debt isn’t a great solution.
 
Bulletproof said:
Yes, for the most part, but I think there is a distinction.

Supporters might come and go based on multiple different criteria, your base is the core of your support, those whose interests and/or ideologies match closely enough with your own that you can rely on their support without hesitation.

I've said it before, you don't have to be a racist to support Donald Trump. Many who support him are NOT racists. But if you are a racist then Trump is your guy. Racists haven't had a stronger ally in high office at any point in my lifetime.
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Racists does not inherently mean Nazi. You know that, right?
 
Paper_McGibblets said:
Point is, stop calling everyone Nazis, racists, Hitler, etc because you disagree with them.
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Seemed to me the point was there's a substantive difference between Nazis and people who think some races are inferior to others.

Either way, considering the obvious damaging racism of the current administration I'm not all that interested in being PC towards it's enablers.
 
Zombie said:
Seemed to me the point was there's a substantive difference between Nazis and people who think some races are inferior to others.

Either way, considering the obvious damaging racism of the current administration I'm not all that interested in being PC towards it's enablers.
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Yes, you're right. That was another point that was simply piggy-backing the larger point I made a few posts back.

Can you give me one action or quote from Donald that undeniably makes him and his administration racists that inherently makes his supporters Nazis?
Mind you, I think Trump is an embarrassment, a fool, a piece of ****, a narcissist, and has the emotional mentality of a 14 year old dealing with hormones.
 
Paper_McGibblets said:
Yes, you're right. That was another point that was simply piggy-backing the larger point I made a few posts back.

Can you give me one action or quote from Donald that undeniably makes him and his administration racists that inherently makes his supporters Nazis?
Mind you, I think Trump is an embarrassment, a fool, a piece of ****, a narcissist, and has the emotional mentality of a 14 year old dealing with hormones.
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Sure, the way he has gone after the NFL players protesting racial inequality is obviously racially motivated. He provided aid and comfort to the Nazis marching in Charlottesville by saying some of them were fine people. I mean the guy started his campaign with a speech calling Mexicans rapists, he's may not be wearing a white hood, but he's pretty openly a racist dude.
 
Zombie said:
I’m not acting like that at all, where did I say they weren’t getting any help?
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Fair enough.

Zombie said:
They certainly aren’t getting enough, Which is obvious to everyone regardless of what dear leader would like us to believe.
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The blowback on Trump is ridiculous. Everything within reason has been done and the hate aimed toward him has gotten far beyond obnoxious.


Zombie said:
You are right 5hough, that due to bad governance PR is badly in debt. I happen to think that saddling the people of PR with even more debt isn’t a great solution.
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That's actually not my stance. Read up on PR's history and how we basically re-colonized them after the Spanish-American war and created a tax haven for US Corporate interests. It started with our sugar interests destroying their other farm industries, mainly tobacco, and has been a building problem ever since.

Bill Clinton and the R's decided to pull that tax haven rug out from under them starting in 1996 and there economy went to ****. I think we owe something to them (and I hate to use the term "them" because they should be "us" but they really are a distinct culture), but outrage over Trump or these loans isn't going to persuade anyone. We are every bit as responsible for the problem that built in PR as they may be.
 
franklin said:
Fair enough.



The blowback on Trump is ridiculous. Everything within reason has been done and the hate aimed toward him has gotten far beyond obnoxious.




That's actually not my stance. Read up on PR's history and how we basically re-colonized them after the Spanish-American war and created a tax haven for US Corporate interests. It started with our sugar interests destroying their other farm industries, mainly tobacco, and has been a building problem ever since.

Bill Clinton and the R's decided to pull that tax haven rug out from under them starting in 1996 and there economy went to ****. I think we owe something to them (and I hate to use the term "them" because they should be "us" but they really are a distinct culture), but outrage over Trump or these loans isn't going to persuade anyone. We are every bit as responsible for the problem that built in PR as they may be.
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Frank, he's doing a bad job. You might find it ridiculous that he keeps getting criticised but he deserves every bit of it and more.

The bill I referenced with the loans for PR is going through congress with support from both parties, and I think its the wrong way to go. The people of Puerto Rico deserve better than to be treated like a colony.
 
Zombie said:
Um. Ok, why don’t you take a trip to Puerto Rico, or NO and pitch them the idea of everyone picking up and moving wherever. Then convince “wherever” to take them in, give them jobs, a place to live, etc. If we lived in some sort of fantasy land where we could just snap our fingers and make things happen maybe something like your idea would be feasible. Here in reality it’s just not. Come on man, you’re smarter than this.
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I thought you were smarter than that. I was responding to a post that mentioned that a lot of people were leaving PR for the mainland. And what I posted was a rant. And after Katrina there were a lot of people in NO that said, in essence "sure we could move but this is our home, no WE WILL REBUILD". I find it ludicrous. Sure there will be people who do not have the means, but if we end up spending a few billion to rebuild couldn't even some of that go to allow everyone who wanted to avoid the same scenario again in a few years to move? Sure it could. In our world, in our country, this is not that far out of reach.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I thought you were smarter than that. I was responding to a post that mentioned that a lot of people were leaving PR for the mainland. And what I posted was a rant. And after Katrina there were a lot of people in NO that said, in essence "sure we could move but this is our home, no WE WILL REBUILD". I find it ludicrous. Sure there will be people who do not have the means, but if we end up spending a few billion to rebuild couldn't even some of that go to allow everyone who wanted to avoid the same scenario again in a few years to move? Sure it could. In our world, in our country, this is not that far out of reach.
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Ok, the way you worded that post made it sound like you thought we should depopulate places like NO or Puerto Rico altogether. One problem I see with that logic is that over a long enough timeline just about every where is going to be subject to some kind of natural disaster. With climate change this problem is only going to get worse. You gave Kansas as an example as as a place that could take in more people. What do we do with them 100 years from now when climate change turns the Midwest into a dustbowl?

I do think we should be more proactive and build our cities to be able to withstand the natural disasters they are likely to run into. That seems more realistic to me than just moving people around.
 
Speaking of that ****head Shapiro, did anyone see the comics he was sharing for Columbus Day?
 
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