Put Kanter to rest...once and for all.

[LogGrad98]

and now the Jazz are losing ...4 out of their last 5 ...and their last 3 home games

What's the problem ...... easy ....what was predicted in the 1st place ,lack of offense...not enough points

Love the defense ,but the Jazz are poor offensively ...where they going to get points

Just happened to coincide with Hayward being out. So you completely ignore the huge improvement we made in defense, the playoff teams we steamrolled, and cherry pick a streak with an obvious cause as your argument? Yeah.

 

[Diamond77]

After we dropped kanter we started to win. Explain please.

We would have won most of those games with Kanter too. Booker got Kanter minutes but his contribution didn't improve. So are you telling to me that if the Jazz traded Booker instead Kanter, we wouldn't win those games? Gobert would have taken Booker minutes and being a huge impact in any case.

Jazz started to win because Hood returned from the injury after the All-Star break too and Exum in the starting lineup made a difference too.

 

[Diamond77]

This is why this thread was necessary. So many like you think we just ignored tons of offers to purposely take the worst offer we could find.

Can you read? I just wrote that in my opinion Lindsey began to shop Kanter only when he pushed for a trade close to deadline, too late. Trade rumours concerning Kanter began only after his public outburst.

Maybe I'm wrong but this is my opinion.

 

[Maneesh]

Can you read? I just wrote that in my opinion Lindsey began to shop Kanter only when he pushed for a trade close to deadline, too late. Maybe I'm wrong but this is my opinion.

Enough of this DISGRACE! We are ok without Kanter and are happy with Gobert and Favors. Please leave us alone!

 

[Maneesh]

We would have won most of those games with Kanter too. Booker got Kanter minutes but his contribution didn't improve. So are you telling to me that if the Jazz traded Booker instead Kanter, we wouldn't win those games? Gobert would have taken Booker minutes and being a huge impact in any case.

Jazz started to win because Hood returned from the injury after the All-Star break too and Exum in the starting lineup made a difference too.

Gobert and Favors are playing 35 minutes each after the trade. What minutes you think are left for your precious? His head would explode beyond belief for those minutes while he watched the others get so much more.

 

[Maneesh]

Just happened to coincide with Hayward being out. So you completely ignore the huge improvement we made in defense, the playoff teams we steamrolled, and cherry pick a streak with an obvious cause as your argument? Yeah.

Its ok. You cant argue them. I know enough about them.

 

[LogGrad98]

Can you read? I just wrote that in my opinion Lindsey began to shop Kanter only when he pushed for a trade close to deadline, too late. Trade rumours concerning Kanter began only after his public outburst.

Maybe I'm wrong but this is my opinion.

So you really think the man being paid millions of dollars to manage a professional sports organization just sat on his hands waiting around until a player yelled "trade me" before he picked up the phone? If you really think these guys are not in CONSTANT talks with others around the league about this sort of thing, then you are just as clueless as you come across. The fact that we didn't get a better deal speaks more to what was being offered for Kanter than it does to the FO lack of attention to the matter. I am sure Kanter's demand for a trade didn't help any of that either.

 

[Sexual Favors]

there actually is a way we could've kept all three and played them 30 mins a contest, so the premise of this post is garbage. I refer you to the increase in the salary cap without smoothing, and not signing Trevor Booker.

With 30 mins a night for each, Kanter wouldn't have felt like he was being demoted, and Gobert wouldn't have felt like he deserved more. Problem solved.

 

[gregbroncs]

there actually is a way we could've kept all three and played them 30 mins a contest, so the premise of this post is garbage. I refer you to the increase in the salary cap without smoothing, and not signing Trevor Booker.

With 30 mins a night for each, Kanter wouldn't have felt like he was being demoted, and Gobert wouldn't have felt like he deserved more. Problem solved.

We are talking about reality here not a fantasy. There is no way they all would have been happy with that.

 

[Sexual Favors]

We are talking about reality here not a fantasy. There is no way they all would have been happy with that.

and how do you know that? We never saw it play out, did we? No we didn't, because we signed Trevor Booker.

We are often retroactively rationalizing our mistakes, but if we don't hold ourselves accountable, how can we learn from them? Signing Booker was a mistake to maximizing chemistry between Kanter-Gobert-Favors.

 

[Siro]

and how do you know that? We never saw it play out, did we? No we didn't, because we signed Trevor Booker.

We are often retroactively rationalizing our mistakes, but if we don't hold ourselves accountable, how can we learn from them? Signing Booker was a mistake to maximizing chemistry between Kanter-Gobert-Favors.

Kanter asked to be traded even though he was getting 27 minutes a night. So you either think an extra minute or two would have completely satisfied him, or that he should get a lot more minutes than Favors and Gobert. So it's a question of whether you're almost certainly wrong, or just dead wrong.

 

[LogGrad98]

and how do you know that? We never saw it play out, did we? No we didn't, because we signed Trevor Booker.

We are often retroactively rationalizing our mistakes, but if we don't hold ourselves accountable, how can we learn from them? Signing Booker was a mistake to maximizing chemistry between Kanter-Gobert-Favors.

Correlation does not prove causation. Kanter was already not a good match with Favors as we saw at the beginning of the year and our horrifying offensive and defensive ratings. He gets injured, Gobert steps in and suddenly we are one of the best teams in the league defensively. Kanter comes back and gets his starting job back but starts losing minutes to...who? Not Booker. Gobert. So now Kanter is pissed he is getting dissed by losing time to Gobert, so he plays like a whiney bitch and then demands a trade. All while Gobert and Favors are putting together a defensive front court for the ages. Pretty clear Booker had little to nothing to do with that particular melt-down. The most Booker played into it was giving us an energy guy to fill the gap off the bench so we didn't feel like we needed 3 max money bigs. That way we can use some of that max money to land a marquee player. Our current defense + marquee player = contender, and >>>>>>>>>>> keeping Kanter.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Kanter asked to be traded even though he was getting 27 minutes a night. So you either think an extra minute or two would have completely satisfied him, or that he should get a lot more minutes than Favors and Gobert. So it's a question of whether you're almost certainly wrong, or just dead wrong.

This is an incomplete evaluation. Kanter's substitutions were sporadic. It wasn't that he was only getting 27 a night, it was how he was getting them. Most offensively gifted players are rhythm players. If you don't have a rhythm that works for a player, or no rhythm at all, you'll upset their game.

Kanter was often pulled for his defense, but Trey never was until he lost his starting spot to Dante. There were other repeat offenders as well. If there was no Trevor Booker, Rudy could have gotten more minutes, which would have allowed him to play more with Enes, which would have allowed Enes to play more consistently. Rather than Rudy being someone who was gunning for his spot, Enes would have been in a position where Rudy's increased play helped his game.

 

[Dumb Bloke]

After we dropped kanter we started to win. Explain please.

Also, where is your vote?

Man we need better trolls around here. The trollery has gone seriously downhill since HH left.

What u on about mate?

Already explained it. Kanter was a willing and able passer but the Millers didnt let coaches use him correctly. They purposefully plugged up passing lanes and used stagnant sets trying to make Kanter look bad. That way they could low ball him this summer.

He would have blown up here next year just like he is in OKC right now. You really think there coach is so much better that he taught Kanter to pass in 1 practice? The guy is like trebling assists and frequently with 4 and 5 assist games. Drastic changes such as this require deeper digging and I have done it for you. Millers screwed him over and once again the fans.

 

[Siro]

This is an incomplete evaluation. Kanter's substitutions were sporadic. It wasn't that he was only getting 27 a night, it was how he was getting them. Most offensively gifted players are rhythm players. If you don't have a rhythm that works for a player, or no rhythm at all, you'll upset their game.

Kanter was often pulled for his defense, but Trey never was until he lost his starting spot to Dante. There were other repeat offenders as well. If there was no Trevor Booker, Rudy could have gotten more minutes, which would have allowed him to play more with Enes, which would have allowed Enes to play more consistently. Rather than Rudy being someone who was gunning for his spot, Enes would have been in a position where Rudy's increased play helped his game.

No team only plays 3 bigs. That's a very strange proposition. As for his minute distribution, that is too subjective an evaluation really. If Kanter requires a specific pattern of minute distribution to stick around, it still sounds like he's the kind of player you're better off without. It seems strange that coaching decisions and minute distributions should revolve around one, underwhelming, player.

 

[The Midnight]

Did Rev just voted for Gobert?


LOL ...

 

[Sexual Favors]

No team only plays 3 bigs. That's a very strange proposition. As for his minute distribution, that is too subjective an evaluation really. If Kanter requires a specific pattern of minute distribution to stick around, it still sounds like he's the kind of player you're better off without. It seems strange that coaching decisions and minute distributions should revolve around one, underwhelming, player.

A rhythm for a rhythm player is a strange concept to you?

kanter is yet another player we've let go who has blossomed under a new circumstance. Maybe, jsut maybe, we don't do everything right.

 

[gregbroncs]

and how do you know that? We never saw it play out, did we? No we didn't, because we signed Trevor Booker.

We are often retroactively rationalizing our mistakes, but if we don't hold ourselves accountable, how can we learn from them? Signing Booker was a mistake to maximizing chemistry between Kanter-Gobert-Favors.

Because one was getting almost that and was not happy. He is also the one who needed to move to the bench and he had already complained the year before about a similar role. Simply put his history shows that it was not going to be enough to play 30 minutes off of the bench to keep Kanter happy.

 

[gregbroncs]

A rhythm for a rhythm player is a strange concept to you?

kanter is yet another player we've let go who has blossomed under a new circumstance. Maybe, jsut maybe, we don't do everything right.

I wouldn't say he's blossomed either. He is getting more touches so he's getting bigger #'s. But he still is the same player. He still doesn't play defense. He still gives up as much or more than he gets.

 

[Stoked]

What u on about mate?

Already explained it. Kanter was a willing and able passer but the Millers didnt let coaches use him correctly. They purposefully plugged up passing lanes and used stagnant sets trying to make Kanter look bad. That way they could low ball him this summer.

He would have blown up here next year just like he is in OKC right now. You really think there coach is so much better that he taught Kanter to pass in 1 practice? The guy is like trebling assists and frequently with 4 and 5 assist games. Drastic changes such as this require deeper digging and I have done it for you. Millers screwed him over and once again the fans.

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@SF - so signing any other big was a mistake for their chemistry? That sounds more like blaming Booker for Kanter not being happy. So you just want the three bigs? That leaves Utah dangerously shallow at the 5-4. Both positions need a regular back up, suggesting otherwise isn't even realistic. Is that what you are suggesting?

Kanter wants to be the man (good for him). Anything less isn't enough. Good for him for moving on and good for the Jazz for moving on.