You really can't give them anything, can you?
Putin's Speech?!
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You really can't give them anything, can you?
I'm not anti-US in the least. But the truth is, Germany had no chance in hell winning the war. They overextended, made too many enemies, and committed too many mistakes. The involvement of the U.S. probably hastened the conclusion of the conflict, but it did not determine its outcome.
A yes or no would suffice. Based on your other input in this thread, Russia could bring the cure for cancer to the world for free and you'd hate them for not making money on it.
Hence, you really can't give them anything... can you?
I am no longer sure what you're talking about. I wouldn't give Russia anything? My response was agreeing that Russia played a major role in ending WWII. Perhaps demanding a 'yes or no' answers to vague rhetorical questions isn't the most constructive way of having a conversation.
I am generally extremely disappointed with the things American political conservatives think about Russia. I studied Russian language for a few years, along with Russian literature. I believe the Lyndon LaRouche (FDR democratic/black ethnic cult) folks deserve high marks for their tecnological/socialist vision generally, and I know the BRICAS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, Argentina, South Africa) nations are reading LaRouche economic and world politics literature.
The Valdai club is modeled after other political "clubs" ascendant in other areas of the world, they are participants in the UN organization and show up at all the world conferences planning for "the New World Order". They have made an independent and factual observation that our Council on Foreign Relations and Committees on Foreign Relations subchapters around the country, and other "clubs" like the Club of Rome (EU) and the British Elites are breaking faith with all that they have promised around the world in real time as we speak. . . . The question of whether the New World Order is going to be new rules, or no rules, is timely, in fact, is the one overriding question of the day.
We don't get the news from our mainstream media, but we just totally obliterated the cold war nuclear arms treaty by breaking our word that we would never seek to incorporate the Ukraine into NATO.
I call it the "Arrogance of Power" on our part. . . . a show of impudent lawlessness to prove to onlookers that no one can question our supremacy. We can do whatever we want, whenever we want, whereever we want.
This is not "the rule of law" or a stable basis for world peace, but provocation in the extreme.
In the face of our absolute impunity in the area of economics, some other nations. . . . Russia, China, and India, and a number of other significant nations, are moving to create an alliance that will not depend on the US Dollar in economic or commercial dealmaking. They are moving to cut us out of the deal.
And yes, we do have idiots in this country who know nothing, who don't "get it", that the US/Brit/Saudi oil cartel has lost the power to dictate artificially high oil prices. The oil resources obtainable by fracking technology are NOT just in the USA. There are many Persian Gulf-class oil resources around the world. But just as importantly, we are not that far from fusion energy.
We have our MIC war hawks pumping the case for war upon war to "make the world safe for the CFR", people who will make the Russians or the Chinese out to be diabolical whatever it takes, but the real war is commercial. A commercial compact with overland infrastructure facilitating trade between Russia, China, and India. . . .. and anyone else who is tired of being relegated to second class commerce by the US/Brit axis, is the real incentive behind our saber-rattling.
Putin is perhaps the most rational player on the world stage at this point. And he is worth listening to, and taking seriously, especially if you think he's just an ex-KGB thug. Let me tell you, he's choir-boy next to David Rockefeller.
♪alt13
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First: Ukraine is a NATO member? Please supply a link of this news(not Alex Jones)
Second: As part of the non proliferation treaty Ukraine agreed to give up its nuclear weapons in return Russia and the US agreed to respect her sovereignty. Which country has clearly broken their obligations under this treaty?
Allow me to refresh your memory:
What you seem to be expressing from your words, is that because it's not democracy it can't be a big, contributing part of the world where people would want to live. It feels, to me, as if you're not willing to let ideas other than your own play out in their own time and place, and demand that every government be just like our government.
If you want to change the world, do it. But you've got to change yourself first. America, as it sits now, needs to change itself. America is not a democracy, or a republic. It's a plutocracy that dresses up as democracy every Oct 1st... just in time for voting season. And every ******** year, the costume looks cheaper and cheaper.
It's so, so hard to explain to you that this is not an all or nothing thing. There's this massive gray area that you act like don't exist.
Does the term live and let live not ring a bell?
Jamezz
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Exactly. The US has got too involved in other countries, it's a disgrace to the people of this nation. We preach about respecting private property in our cities and neighborhoods and then we turn around and bomb the crap out some other country and why, because we're cowards that's why. Because what's defined today as being superior militarily is having the largest amount and the most developed bombs.
-Just press this button boy, boom! Good job Tom, you can press that button like no other.
In the past wars were fought like real men and for purposes that remained closer to home. Today, today is a f*** joke.
The United States. you need to fact check our mainstream media, not just read it and accept it.
The exact threat to Russia is the actions of the United States in regard to the treaty Russian signed with us.
A very conservative analyst that I don't entirely agree with is Joel Skousen. Another analyst I do not entirely agree with is a socialist cult called LaRouche PAC that has characterized the same facts in an entirely different light.
The first calls it a stage play setting up for a new great war, the second calls it the same thing, for different reasons. The first indicts international bankers, the second indicts the Queen of England and the US/Brit world domination puppet we call the "UN".
Putin and the LaRouchies show up at the UN and play the game like the UN can be a viable instrument for progress. Skousen does not.
Probably you'd need to get a copy of the treaty to understand that it has been abrogated, and that is why Putin is saying the "new order" is "No rules".
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♪alt13
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enlighten me
Provide a link that shows that Ukraine is a NATO member. You can't because they are not.
They're sure trying...
Jonah
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Ukraine is not a NATO member. Ukraine is a NATO partner since the mid 90s. NATO has 40 other partner countries besides Ukraine. Partners cooperate over political and security issues but only full NATO members are protected by the attack one attack all defense. At one time, back before the 2010 Ukraine election, it looked like they were moving toward membership, but since the election Ukraine opted to remain a non-aligned partner.
Ah, the good ol' "live and let live". Which is always used to mean "I'd appreciate it if you stop expressing opinions that differ from mine". How about you live and let live, and I'll continue to concern myself with human rights issues regardless of where they happen to occur?
No, it's actually code for "Let's mind our own ****ing business". But I was trying to be polite.
It's human rights were really an issue, you wouldn't give a **** about Russia. You wouldn't even pretend to give Russia a scratch, let alone the black eye you're trying to give it. Evidence? here: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/03/human-rights-risk-atlas-2014-violations-maplecroft_n_4374133.html
They're not even in the top ten. So please, explain to me what is?
Let's take it a step further, shall we?
I offer unto the second circuit court of www.jazzfanz.com a piece of evidence: The international human rights rank indicator:
https://www.ihrri.com/contry.php
OOOo AAAaaAA
What's Russia's rank? 53.47%, good for 46th(216 countries recognized) in the world. The US isn't all that far ahead of it at 68.9%(19th in the world). Should the world REALLY allow the US, who barely scratches the top 20 nations on this index, to decide who is and isn't great with Human rights?
I offer unto the second circuit court of www.jazzfanz.com a piece of evidence: The international human rights rank indicator:
https://www.ihrri.com/contry.php
OOOo AAAaaAA
What's Russia's rank? 53.47%, good for 46th(216 countries recognized) in the world. The US isn't all that far ahead of it at 68.9%(19th in the world). Should the world REALLY allow the US, who barely scratches the top 20 nations on this index, to decide who is and isn't great with Human rights?
Yes, it should
I don't give two ****s about how much you hate the U.S. I don't represent the country or its actions. Similarly, I don't give a rat's *** about your opinion on what it is acceptable for me to think about. As a private citizen of the world, I do not like Putin or his policies. I also have a lot of problems with the behavior of the U.S., as I expressed in a million other threads, but this thread is about Putin.
You're like those tedious twits who will jump on you for complaining about being sick because "there are children starving in African". If you're only interested in criticizing the U.S., that's fine. But expecting others to either share your interests or shut up is patently absurd. In fact, I won't be engaging with you any further unless it's about something other than how we shouldn't talk about anything except how bad the U.S. is.
Actually, let me rephrase that in words you can understand; mind your own business and don't criticize the U.S. See? I can be an idiot too.
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