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The Phoenix Suns are trading their 2031 unprotected first to the Utah Jazz for three first-round picks, sources tell ESPN. The Suns are acquiring the least favorable firsts in 2025 of Cleveland/Minnesota, 2027 of Cleveland/Minnesota/Utah and 2029 of Cleveland/Minnesota/Utah.
Quotes from Phoenix on the pick trade:
All three of those are going directly to Miami and Pat Riley knows it
this is our final all in move for this core. i pray it does something
Trade assets 1000%. They're going all in
How much more in can we go?
Three late firsts for a single unprotected first, could end up being bad but I see the logic
Go all in on getting the #7 seed. They just can't put the shovel down and stop digging. Will only extend the misery when reality sets in.
If this ****** *** team trades for Jimmy Butler just call it wraps for the next 10 years
It’s like we’re making the same mistake, but each iteration is worse.
This is just a precursor to something else..
I mean if it works what do I care? And if it doesn’t? Well I’ll still not care but I’ll be sad about it.
Unprotected while we get least favorables
Ay madone not the 31st! My children will be in college when these bums draft again!
I also want to say I wouldn’t be surprised if ishbia sells the team in 5 years lol. The 2031 pick maybe means **** all to him. Not saying it’s inevitable but saying it’s a possibility
The coming darkness is going to be so familiar. If it's your first time, buckle the **** up.
Should be fine. Danny Ainge never comes out on top when he makes a trade…
Damn I got excited and thought we got Kessler lol
********. Unbelievable. We are truly cooked.
So we are definitely getting Jimmy. Kill me
So we now control 0 picks whatsoever, and in exchange we get the least favorable of picks compared to a team that is going to be a juggernaut on the strength of Anthony Edwards alone and the current best team in the East.
Yeah, these are absolutely going immediately to someone else in another gamble. I hate this timeline so goddamn much,
This will either make this FO look like a genius or infinitely worse than we already do. There can be no inbetween.
I find it so interesting how much Utah values that 2031 pick. I’m not so convinced. The Suns may need to retool in a year or two but I think with a spend happy owner like Ishbia we won’t be in the toilet for long.
Our key guy is 36, and the guy we're trading for is 35.
Even if the players we currently have and are trading for were all 24 through 26 years old - this is a HUGE risk!
screw you Isiah Thomas. ruining one franchise isn't good enough
On the bright side, we no longer have to worry about whether or not we're gonna trade the 2031 pick. I'm gonna try to hold off judgement, I know we're prob doing this to make multiple moves. But it is worth noting the Cavs have their top 4 players likely through 2027-28 (unless Mitchell opts out). Feels like not very valuable picks but still picks.
I just hope, after whatever moves we make, the guys can get their mindsets right and find a good team style.
So will it be two or three months from now when Jimmy fails to mesh with the team and every single person in this sub say they were the lone person championing against the trade?
Fascinating, I’ve never seen a trade like this before. I think I’ve seen it for 2nd round picks but not for 1st rounders
Man, this is gonna be crazy. If it does not work I give our new owner credit for swinging but damn are we gonna have to get rid of every creditable player for draft capital and rebuild, rebuild and rebuild.
We'll regret it
I can't wait to see what dumb trade we waste these three picks on. I can almost guarantee that Ishbia doesn't plan on using them for anything else.
I don’t think butler is the answer. But, if they could get rid of Beal?
I admit that I still do not understand how this trade was graded, but according to Kevin Pelton at ESPN the grades for this trade are:
Jazz A-
Suns C-
the 2031 pick is nearly guaranteed to be a lottery pick. Probably a high lottery pick. The three first rounders we got back are nearly guaranteed to be worst five in their respective drafts. The odds that the worst of three picks will still be a top twenty pick are miniscule. Ainge f-ing got us again, that MF-
Jazz POV is all abt the current tank. Say they get Flagg or another star to pair w/Lauri. A Suns unprotected '31 is EXACTLY what you would want when you would want it. It really could be a top 5 pick! Ainge is betting agt Ishbia. So it's scarier than the Suns FO will describe it in the days & wks ahead. It could be a home run move for the Jazz, the sort of thing endlessly talked abt by 2033...depending on where the two teams end up.
Quotes from around the league on the picks trade with Phoenix:
Ainge, man
Fascinating deal. Gives the Suns more ammo to do whatever they want, even aside from Jimmy Butler, such as flipping the Nurkic salary. And Utah gets one of the NBA’s highest value long term picks.
Whyyyy would the jazz do this?
Massive W for Utah, that’s the most valuable asset in the league right now. Phoenix also catch a massive W here as they can now facilitate a Bradley Beal trade.
Utah just received the highest value traded 1st in the NBA for 3 low value picks. Danny Ainge is the best asset manager in the NBA & it’s not even close.
Utah is basically saying they think the Suns will be the worst team in the league in 2031
That is weird, but also makes sense. The Jazz have too many picks and not enough roster spots. Still 3 for 1 could back fire
I'd move a 3031 but not a 2031 idk but that's just me
So the Suns want to get more talent/assets sooner whilst the Jazz are betting on the Suns being terrible post-KD/Book?
Danny has definitely not changed
Suns don't own their own firsts until 2032, they're so cooked in a few years
Jazz are hoping they got boardwalk PHX just got all 3 light blue spaces: Vermont, Connecticut, and Oriental I've played monopoly a million times. I'll take the PHX side all day
Wait so you can just trade a very distant FRP for 3 FRP and Rob Pelinka has just been hoarding our two tradable picks like they’re the most prized possession on earth
masterful on both sides. utah gets a highly valuable pick & phoenix needed plural capital
The Suns are about to add Jimmy Butler to KD and Booker and get rocked in the 1sf round of the playoffs and mortgaged the future to do it.
Least favorable every year? Basically traded a future top 5 pick for 3 back of the 1st round picks
Just traded a middle schooler
Jazz trading for someone who is currently 12 years old
Rare trade in the middle of the season where it just involves picks.
Who trades one first-round pick for three first-round picks?
I get why Phoenix made the deal, but I don't see Utah benefitting other than taking a flyer on Phoenix being the worst team in 2031.
3 mid firsts for a good first
Congratulations to the Utah Jazz for landing the 2031 #1 overall pick!
lofl jazz saved the suns franchise for some kid somewhere who's 13 right now
As a suns fan we are so cooked , went all in for this big 3 that can’t even win 5 games in a row
What the heck is this trade? No players involved? I’ve never seen anything like this…
I hate it when NBA teams bail other teams out for making crappy decisions. I do not like Utah doing this
everybody knows unprotected > protected
danny ainge just traded three late first rounders for the first overall pick
Is there a good case example where a team went all in, flopped around like a dying fish, picked up a player and it salvaged the whole thing?
No… but just maybe things will be different this time…
Hilarious trade. The entire league is betting that the Suns are gonna be goddawful in a few years
Utah has very very low downside for big upside on this trade
Yeah, I'm surprised how many people are freaking out about this from the Jazz's perspective. This is a very reasonable bet on their part. They're trading three pics likely to turn into rotation players for a, honestly sizable chance, of having a very high pick in a few years when Phoenix is an absolute mess
Not saying it’s the same strategy or anything but Danny is also the guy that took advantage of the nets being aggressive and landed brown and tatum out of it. If there’s one thing he’s really good at it’s fleecing people with picks
It's interesting because ultimately this is a very specific bet by Utah: they are betting that Phoenix is going to stay in win-now mode and flip these three picks to upgrade their roster. If that's the case, then Phoenix is almost certain to crash in a few years and the '31 pick will likely be very good.
On the other hand, Phoenix could zag and use this trade to start in on their rebuild. They could look to trade Durant in the off season for expirings and picks, trade Book for a king's ransom, and then start building around those new draft picks. Beal stays because he has almost no value.
I think Utah absolutely won this trade, I’m surprised Jazz fans aren’t happy. To me, Danny Ainge strikes again..
Have we ever seen a trade like this before?
Those picks you traded are bad first round picks too. Still first round picks, but they should be pretty deep in the round. Cleveland this year will be almost a second rounder. Neither Minnesota or Cleveland would be expected to be lottery teams in two year. Betting odds are in favor of one of Minnesota, Cleveland or Utah being good enough to avoid the lottery in 2029.
The big risk here is that Phoenix might have enough time to rebuild after all their high payroll guys retire by 2031, but you all have enough first rounders that you can afford to take the gamble.
Flipping a bunch of 1st rounders that look like they'll be at the end of the draft for 1 unprotected pick that could be in the lottery? Pretty smart and don't think I've ever seen it
Seriously these are the least favorable of multiple picks in each year, which likely means at least one of them is in the 20’s. Flipping that for an unprotected first on a team hemorrhaging future flexibility is a worthy gamble imo
So the Jazz are essentially trading the 30th pick in 2025, plus some combination of picks 25-30 in 2027, and 2029 in the hopes that the Suns will give them a lottery pick in 2031... yeah smart trade for Utah.
Yeah it's honesty a solid trade. If the suns were going to hold on to those pics and use them to restock their team, I'd say it was a solid trade for Phoenix too. The fact that they're going to probably turn around and bring an ancient Butler... Makes me less optimistic about the outcome but I'll give them credit for extreme creativity and trying to get this whole thing done
So they’re trading an unprotected pick that is six years out for what will be the 30th pick this year, and two other late round picks. Ishbia needs to be locked up worse than Ted Stepien
Well not really . The #30/#27/#26 picks are not > than the #1 pick or even a top 10 pick
Why would you take a Cavs 2025 pick? That's almost as good a second rounder. Same for 2027. Utah is betting that the Cavs will be good for 2 years, and they probably will be. But for anyone wondering the 2031 pick is the same reason the Spurs got 2 of them over this offseason, that's the last year that someone on the second apron won't drop the pick to the back.
This trade is honestly hilarious. Phoenix has just so beyond ****ed themselves into a corner
This allows the suns to trade any of their next 6 first round draft picks
They could trade 26 28 and 30 now as well. Before this they could not
That unprotected 31 suns pick is gonna be the new unprotected 21 heat pick
Yikes why? I feel like the 2031 unprotected pick is better than the 3 they got
So we’ll suck until 2037.
Jazz are laughing at the suns bro
So an unprotected 1st way in the future that has a good chance of being a lottery pick for 3 picks likely in the late 20s. Interesting trade
2031 seems like a fake year for some reason
The worst trade in Suns history was trading Dennis Johnson to the Celtics for Rick Robey. That was 40+ years ago. Why are they suddenly trying to top it?
The Jazz consolidating picks because they have more picks than roster spots and gambling that Phoenix keeps doing dumb stuff
It makes sense for both teams. Utah gets a potentially valuable draft pick in the future for three late firsts out of their abundance of picks and the Suns get a chance at adding a player or more with multiple first’s now.
The Suns are literally going to mortgage the future of their franchise for a 35 year old not named Lebron or Steph.
Casuals will absolutely not understand this is a good move for the jazz
Danny Ainge is ****ing war criminal!! He gave the Lakers a bunch of guys for nothing and now they are doing the same thing for Phoenix.
Jazz won this by a lot. Phoenix doesn’t own any draft picks to rebuild, Durant will be gone. Booker be 34 and might not be there. Good chance phoenix isn’t good in 2031.
This is like if you have a $100 bill but nobody will give you change so you have to give it to someone for 3 $20s
Suns gon have picks 26-28 over the next decade lmaooo
There’s a 5th grader out there that Utah LOVES
in 2031 that unprotected phoenix 1st-round pick is going to be top 3
If the picks are so bad that Jazz would give up 3 to get 1, then why would the Heat want those picks for Butler?
This is the riskiest trade in nba history
2025 one is basibally confirmed to be a 28-30. Cavs are a young team so it's very likely that they will still be top 4 in the conference for the mezt 3 years. Suns by 2031 will probably be ***, cause they are old. Not owning your own picks could be lethal.
Fascinating deal. Gives the Suns more ammo to do whatever they want, even aside from Jimmy Butler, such as flipping the Nurkic salary. And Utah gets one of the NBA’s highest value long term picks.
Massive W for Utah, that’s the most valuable asset in the league right now. Phoenix also catch a massive W here as they can now facilitate a Bradley Beal trade.
Utah just received the highest value traded 1st in the NBA for 3 low value picks. Danny Ainge is the best asset manager in the NBA & it’s not even close.
Those years don’t even exist on our timeline.
Butler is Paul George 2.0. Goodluck with the Max Money
Quotes from Phoenix on the pick trade:
All three of those are going directly to Miami and Pat Riley knows it
this is our final all in move for this core. i pray it does something
Trade assets 1000%. They're going all in
How much more in can we go?
Three late firsts for a single unprotected first, could end up being bad but I see the logic
Go all in on getting the #7 seed. They just can't put the shovel down and stop digging. Will only extend the misery when reality sets in.
If this ****** *** team trades for Jimmy Butler just call it wraps for the next 10 years
It’s like we’re making the same mistake, but each iteration is worse.
This is just a precursor to something else..
I mean if it works what do I care? And if it doesn’t? Well I’ll still not care but I’ll be sad about it.
Unprotected while we get least favorables
Ay madone not the 31st! My children will be in college when these bums draft again!
I also want to say I wouldn’t be surprised if ishbia sells the team in 5 years lol. The 2031 pick maybe means **** all to him. Not saying it’s inevitable but saying it’s a possibility
The coming darkness is going to be so familiar. If it's your first time, buckle the **** up.
Should be fine. Danny Ainge never comes out on top when he makes a trade…
Damn I got excited and thought we got Kessler lol
********. Unbelievable. We are truly cooked.
So we are definitely getting Jimmy. Kill me
So we now control 0 picks whatsoever, and in exchange we get the least favorable of picks compared to a team that is going to be a juggernaut on the strength of Anthony Edwards alone and the current best team in the East.
Yeah, these are absolutely going immediately to someone else in another gamble. I hate this timeline so goddamn much,
This will either make this FO look like a genius or infinitely worse than we already do. There can be no inbetween.
I find it so interesting how much Utah values that 2031 pick. I’m not so convinced. The Suns may need to retool in a year or two but I think with a spend happy owner like Ishbia we won’t be in the toilet for long.
Our key guy is 36, and the guy we're trading for is 35.
Even if the players we currently have and are trading for were all 24 through 26 years old - this is a HUGE risk!
screw you Isiah Thomas. ruining one franchise isn't good enough
On the bright side, we no longer have to worry about whether or not we're gonna trade the 2031 pick. I'm gonna try to hold off judgement, I know we're prob doing this to make multiple moves. But it is worth noting the Cavs have their top 4 players likely through 2027-28 (unless Mitchell opts out). Feels like not very valuable picks but still picks.
I just hope, after whatever moves we make, the guys can get their mindsets right and find a good team style.
So will it be two or three months from now when Jimmy fails to mesh with the team and every single person in this sub say they were the lone person championing against the trade?
Fascinating, I’ve never seen a trade like this before. I think I’ve seen it for 2nd round picks but not for 1st rounders
Man, this is gonna be crazy. If it does not work I give our new owner credit for swinging but damn are we gonna have to get rid of every creditable player for draft capital and rebuild, rebuild and rebuild.
We'll regret it
I can't wait to see what dumb trade we waste these three picks on. I can almost guarantee that Ishbia doesn't plan on using them for anything else.
I don’t think butler is the answer. But, if they could get rid of Beal?
I admit that I still do not understand how this trade was graded, but according to Kevin Pelton at ESPN the grades for this trade are:
Jazz A-
Suns C-
the 2031 pick is nearly guaranteed to be a lottery pick. Probably a high lottery pick. The three first rounders we got back are nearly guaranteed to be worst five in their respective drafts. The odds that the worst of three picks will still be a top twenty pick are miniscule. Ainge f-ing got us again, that MF-
Jazz POV is all abt the current tank. Say they get Flagg or another star to pair w/Lauri. A Suns unprotected '31 is EXACTLY what you would want when you would want it. It really could be a top 5 pick! Ainge is betting agt Ishbia. So it's scarier than the Suns FO will describe it in the days & wks ahead. It could be a home run move for the Jazz, the sort of thing endlessly talked abt by 2033...depending on where the two teams end up.
Quotes from around the league on the picks trade with Phoenix:
Ainge, man
Fascinating deal. Gives the Suns more ammo to do whatever they want, even aside from Jimmy Butler, such as flipping the Nurkic salary. And Utah gets one of the NBA’s highest value long term picks.
Whyyyy would the jazz do this?
Massive W for Utah, that’s the most valuable asset in the league right now. Phoenix also catch a massive W here as they can now facilitate a Bradley Beal trade.
Utah just received the highest value traded 1st in the NBA for 3 low value picks. Danny Ainge is the best asset manager in the NBA & it’s not even close.
Utah is basically saying they think the Suns will be the worst team in the league in 2031
That is weird, but also makes sense. The Jazz have too many picks and not enough roster spots. Still 3 for 1 could back fire
I'd move a 3031 but not a 2031 idk but that's just me
So the Suns want to get more talent/assets sooner whilst the Jazz are betting on the Suns being terrible post-KD/Book?
Danny has definitely not changed
Suns don't own their own firsts until 2032, they're so cooked in a few years
Jazz are hoping they got boardwalk PHX just got all 3 light blue spaces: Vermont, Connecticut, and Oriental I've played monopoly a million times. I'll take the PHX side all day
Wait so you can just trade a very distant FRP for 3 FRP and Rob Pelinka has just been hoarding our two tradable picks like they’re the most prized possession on earth
masterful on both sides. utah gets a highly valuable pick & phoenix needed plural capital
The Suns are about to add Jimmy Butler to KD and Booker and get rocked in the 1sf round of the playoffs and mortgaged the future to do it.
Least favorable every year? Basically traded a future top 5 pick for 3 back of the 1st round picks
Just traded a middle schooler
Jazz trading for someone who is currently 12 years old
Rare trade in the middle of the season where it just involves picks.
Who trades one first-round pick for three first-round picks?
I get why Phoenix made the deal, but I don't see Utah benefitting other than taking a flyer on Phoenix being the worst team in 2031.
3 mid firsts for a good first
Congratulations to the Utah Jazz for landing the 2031 #1 overall pick!
lofl jazz saved the suns franchise for some kid somewhere who's 13 right now
As a suns fan we are so cooked , went all in for this big 3 that can’t even win 5 games in a row
What the heck is this trade? No players involved? I’ve never seen anything like this…
I hate it when NBA teams bail other teams out for making crappy decisions. I do not like Utah doing this
everybody knows unprotected > protected
danny ainge just traded three late first rounders for the first overall pick
Is there a good case example where a team went all in, flopped around like a dying fish, picked up a player and it salvaged the whole thing?
No… but just maybe things will be different this time…
Hilarious trade. The entire league is betting that the Suns are gonna be goddawful in a few years
Utah has very very low downside for big upside on this trade
Yeah, I'm surprised how many people are freaking out about this from the Jazz's perspective. This is a very reasonable bet on their part. They're trading three pics likely to turn into rotation players for a, honestly sizable chance, of having a very high pick in a few years when Phoenix is an absolute mess
Not saying it’s the same strategy or anything but Danny is also the guy that took advantage of the nets being aggressive and landed brown and tatum out of it. If there’s one thing he’s really good at it’s fleecing people with picks
It's interesting because ultimately this is a very specific bet by Utah: they are betting that Phoenix is going to stay in win-now mode and flip these three picks to upgrade their roster. If that's the case, then Phoenix is almost certain to crash in a few years and the '31 pick will likely be very good.
On the other hand, Phoenix could zag and use this trade to start in on their rebuild. They could look to trade Durant in the off season for expirings and picks, trade Book for a king's ransom, and then start building around those new draft picks. Beal stays because he has almost no value.
I think Utah absolutely won this trade, I’m surprised Jazz fans aren’t happy. To me, Danny Ainge strikes again..
Have we ever seen a trade like this before?
Those picks you traded are bad first round picks too. Still first round picks, but they should be pretty deep in the round. Cleveland this year will be almost a second rounder. Neither Minnesota or Cleveland would be expected to be lottery teams in two year. Betting odds are in favor of one of Minnesota, Cleveland or Utah being good enough to avoid the lottery in 2029.
The big risk here is that Phoenix might have enough time to rebuild after all their high payroll guys retire by 2031, but you all have enough first rounders that you can afford to take the gamble.
Flipping a bunch of 1st rounders that look like they'll be at the end of the draft for 1 unprotected pick that could be in the lottery? Pretty smart and don't think I've ever seen it
Seriously these are the least favorable of multiple picks in each year, which likely means at least one of them is in the 20’s. Flipping that for an unprotected first on a team hemorrhaging future flexibility is a worthy gamble imo
So the Jazz are essentially trading the 30th pick in 2025, plus some combination of picks 25-30 in 2027, and 2029 in the hopes that the Suns will give them a lottery pick in 2031... yeah smart trade for Utah.
Yeah it's honesty a solid trade. If the suns were going to hold on to those pics and use them to restock their team, I'd say it was a solid trade for Phoenix too. The fact that they're going to probably turn around and bring an ancient Butler... Makes me less optimistic about the outcome but I'll give them credit for extreme creativity and trying to get this whole thing done
So they’re trading an unprotected pick that is six years out for what will be the 30th pick this year, and two other late round picks. Ishbia needs to be locked up worse than Ted Stepien
Well not really . The #30/#27/#26 picks are not > than the #1 pick or even a top 10 pick
Why would you take a Cavs 2025 pick? That's almost as good a second rounder. Same for 2027. Utah is betting that the Cavs will be good for 2 years, and they probably will be. But for anyone wondering the 2031 pick is the same reason the Spurs got 2 of them over this offseason, that's the last year that someone on the second apron won't drop the pick to the back.
This trade is honestly hilarious. Phoenix has just so beyond ****ed themselves into a corner
This allows the suns to trade any of their next 6 first round draft picks
They could trade 26 28 and 30 now as well. Before this they could not
That unprotected 31 suns pick is gonna be the new unprotected 21 heat pick
Yikes why? I feel like the 2031 unprotected pick is better than the 3 they got
So we’ll suck until 2037.
Jazz are laughing at the suns bro
So an unprotected 1st way in the future that has a good chance of being a lottery pick for 3 picks likely in the late 20s. Interesting trade
2031 seems like a fake year for some reason
The worst trade in Suns history was trading Dennis Johnson to the Celtics for Rick Robey. That was 40+ years ago. Why are they suddenly trying to top it?
The Jazz consolidating picks because they have more picks than roster spots and gambling that Phoenix keeps doing dumb stuff
It makes sense for both teams. Utah gets a potentially valuable draft pick in the future for three late firsts out of their abundance of picks and the Suns get a chance at adding a player or more with multiple first’s now.
The Suns are literally going to mortgage the future of their franchise for a 35 year old not named Lebron or Steph.
Casuals will absolutely not understand this is a good move for the jazz
Danny Ainge is ****ing war criminal!! He gave the Lakers a bunch of guys for nothing and now they are doing the same thing for Phoenix.
Jazz won this by a lot. Phoenix doesn’t own any draft picks to rebuild, Durant will be gone. Booker be 34 and might not be there. Good chance phoenix isn’t good in 2031.
This is like if you have a $100 bill but nobody will give you change so you have to give it to someone for 3 $20s
Suns gon have picks 26-28 over the next decade lmaooo
There’s a 5th grader out there that Utah LOVES
in 2031 that unprotected phoenix 1st-round pick is going to be top 3
If the picks are so bad that Jazz would give up 3 to get 1, then why would the Heat want those picks for Butler?
This is the riskiest trade in nba history
2025 one is basibally confirmed to be a 28-30. Cavs are a young team so it's very likely that they will still be top 4 in the conference for the mezt 3 years. Suns by 2031 will probably be ***, cause they are old. Not owning your own picks could be lethal.
Fascinating deal. Gives the Suns more ammo to do whatever they want, even aside from Jimmy Butler, such as flipping the Nurkic salary. And Utah gets one of the NBA’s highest value long term picks.
Massive W for Utah, that’s the most valuable asset in the league right now. Phoenix also catch a massive W here as they can now facilitate a Bradley Beal trade.
Utah just received the highest value traded 1st in the NBA for 3 low value picks. Danny Ainge is the best asset manager in the NBA & it’s not even close.
Those years don’t even exist on our timeline.
Butler is Paul George 2.0. Goodluck with the Max Money
