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OK, but I guess JimLes' argument is for the US market only. (even though he's in Canada, I believe?) He's saying most of those increases were from countries outside of the US.
I've tried but struggled to fine revenue that relates only to the US market.
So since old americans dont like the NBA as much as other sports they should change? NBA is most popular among under age 30 people across the globe. I doubt they are worried about what 50 year old Americans think.
JimLes
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I posted TV numbers. Here's a chart from a couple of years ago showing attendances going up steadily until 2007, then dropping. It's from 3 years ago.
https://static4.businessinsider.com/image/52cd87036bb3f75b575aed6f-800-/01-126.png
JimLes
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Of course digital technology is on the rise. I'm not disputing that. What you posted, though, does not prove that more people watching LP has offset, or come close to, lost TV viewership.
Because they dont release raw numbers and there is an entire shadow market of illegal streams that we can't account for. Since the NBA has the youngest fan-base, it's reasonable to think a lot of those young viewers use illegal streams.
This is true. If you count illegal streams I believe the numbers would EXPLODE.
[MENTION=698]JimLes[/MENTION] , last Sunday the Knicks decided to turn off all the music & entertainment for the 1st half of their game against the Warriors (Nationally televised game I believe?).
Anyway the idea was for the audience to be able to watch the game in its most 'purest' form (i.e., going back to the olden time where you can hear the ball bounce, players shout, etc).
Draymond Green your favourite NBA player was asked what he thought about it and he quoted as saying "It was pure ****".
Anyway the idea was for the audience to be able to watch the game in its most 'purest' form (i.e., going back to the olden time where you can hear the ball bounce, players shout, etc).
Draymond Green your favourite NBA player was asked what he thought about it and he quoted as saying "It was pure ****".
JimLes
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See, this is a ridiculously specious argument. You are taking real numbers that I provided and you're discounting them and trumping them(all pun intended) with supposed and assumed numbers no one knows about. This is the logic people use to argue Wilt surely averaged 10+ blocks a game but they just didn't keep track back then. Even though what numbers we do have(recorded games that have been analyzed statistically since) shows otherwise.
Here's another chart. Again showing how NBA is much less popular than it used to be.
See, this is a ridiculously specious argument. You are taking real numbers that I provided and you're discounting them and trumping them(all pun intended) with supposed and assumed numbers no one knows about. This is the logic people use to argue Wilt surely averaged 10+ blocks a game but they just didn't keep track back then. Even though what numbers we do have(recorded games that have been analyzed statistically since) shows otherwise.
Here's another chart. Again showing how NBA is much less popular than it used to be.
Survey of 2,252 adults...
See, this is a ridiculously specious argument. You are taking real numbers that I provided and you're discounting them and trumping them(all pun intended) with supposed and assumed numbers no one knows about. This is the logic people use to argue Wilt surely averaged 10+ blocks a game but they just didn't keep track back then. Even though what numbers we do have(recorded games that have been analyzed statistically since) shows otherwise.
Here's another chart. Again showing how NBA is much less popular than it used to be.
Wow. That's pretty surprising.
JimLes
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How many millions would be a representative sample to you?
I would want to know more about the sample, age/race/sex/location.
JimLes
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Here's some more specific breakdowns.
https://www.theharrispoll.com/sports/Americas_Fav_Sport_2016.html
"This Harris Poll was conducted online, in English, within the United States between December 9 and 14, 2015 among 2,252 adults (aged 18 and over), of whom 1,510 follow at least one sport. Figures for age, sex, race/ethnicity, education, region and household income were weighted where necessary to bring them into line with their actual proportions in the population. Propensity score weighting was also used to adjust for respondents’ propensity to be online.
All sample surveys and polls, whether or not they use probability sampling, are subject to multiple sources of error which are most often not possible to quantify or estimate, including sampling error, coverage error, error associated with nonresponse, error associated with question wording and response options, and post-survey weighting and adjustments. Therefore, The Harris Poll avoids the words “margin of error” as they are misleading. All that can be calculated are different possible sampling errors with different probabilities for pure, unweighted, random samples with 100% response rates. These are only theoretical because no published polls come close to this ideal.
Respondents for this survey were selected from among those who have agreed to participate in Harris Poll surveys. The data have been weighted to reflect the composition of the adult population. Because the sample is based on those who agreed to participate in our panel, no estimates of theoretical sampling error can be calculated."
A very small change for NBA according to this survey though?
JimLes
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You just keep only reading what you want to see, right? The change from 1985-2015 is NOT what I'm talking about. Do you see in the posts above how I keep talking about dropping popularity in the past 20 years? That change is only -1 percentage point because the NBA was MLB's and NFL's frumpy stepsister for the first 40 years of its history. I'm talking about the fact that in 1997 and 1998, the NBA was the favourite sport of 13% percent of Americans, while it's now the favourite sport of 5% That's not a small change, that's more than halving in proportional support.
I've posted enough stuff. This is reality. Within its home market, which is Canada and the US, the NBA is NOT as popular as it was 20 years ago. Not even close. And people here are arguing not only that it's not less popular but that it's even significantly more popular.
It is more popular.
I honestly don't know why you're even limiting your analysis to Canada and the US though?
NBA is far and away the most popular sports compared to NFL and MLB when you look outside Canada and US.
Isn't that what matters? The whole market, not just 1 segment?
gregbroncs
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I would say **** no it's not better than it's ever been. And it's because of the officiating and the way the players exploit it that it's not. A lot of NBA games are terrible. Watching guys like Boogie and Harden play is painful, for different reasons. What Harden does to draw fouls is not a skill, it's an exploit. An exploit that he is so used to fooling the ref into calling he openly complained through an entire timeout about it. Which was smart because they never failed to call it (even when it was not a foul) for the rest of the night.