R.I.P. The Tank

[The Midnight]

Conley, Beasley and Gay for Westbrook, a 27’ super swap with any of the Jazz, Cavs or Wolves picks that year and two future 2nd round picks.

Nobody loves the trade, but it definitely helps both teams get closer to their goals this year (and next probably).

Or just give us 1 pick.. I think 2 picks are being talked about right? Why not just give us 1 pick?

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

Then Ainge needs to get on the phone ASAP with Pelinka.. they can still salvage their season by getting Beaseley and Conley. Imagine those 2 on the Lakers.

Would the Lakers give up a pick for those two in a Westbrook dump?

 

[Jingled]

Jazz and Blazers are the only teams in the west still undefeated.

 

[stormkoopacv03]

Honestly, when Lauri dunked on Rudy the other night. He was like 'this is what I think about your beloved Rudy Gobert and your tank ideas jazz fans!' lol

 

[Elizah Huge]

Jazz and Blazers are the only teams in the west still undefeated.

Just as everyone predicted.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Or just give us 1 pick.. I think 2 picks are being talked about right? Why not just give us 1 pick?

I don’t think they’re desperate enough to give up an unprotected pick outright, but making it a super swap is essentially still getting it unprotected - as long as one of the three picks we have is better than theirs. Then, they can still trade the pick in a different deal (albeit for a lot less value) for another piece at the deadline or next offseason. I’m alright with that.

Lakers get three + shooting vets to add to their rotation and they get a team to take that cancer off their hands. Addition by subtraction and addition by addition. I also think adding three expiring contracts actually help them more than trying to preserve cap space.

Jazz get a couple of decent assets out of the deal and open up more playing time and bigger roles to younger players (Sexton, Agbaji and Fontecchio specifically). And even though they have to eat $45+ million to buy out Westbrook, they get off of millions in tied up salary cap space - possibly opening up one or maybe even two max cap slots next year.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

like i said. literally zero reason to play the vets as all of them are here on short term contracts.

playing them heavy minutes not really gonna bring up their trade value either as all of our vets (conley/JC/Olynyk/beasley/lauri) have been in the league for years and the rest of the league already known too well what these guys are all about. or worse, we could risk getting them injured and potential killing their trade values.

will hardy needs to be reminded of the legend of ty corbin.

start focusing on playing young guys like kessler and ochai, you know? guys who are actually gonna be here long terms.

simple fix. not hard

yep completely agree. If this continues we're on a road to treadmill hell

I said earlier if we win, I’m pro win as many games, we are too good. There’s a lot of teams we should beat, and I’d agree with both of you if our asset cupboard was empty, but that thing is stocked pretty good. We have plenty of avenues to improve the team.

 

[The Midnight]

I don’t think they’re desperate enough to give up an unprotected pick outright, but making it a super swap is essentially still getting it unprotected - as long as one of the three picks we have is better than theirs. Then, they can still trade the pick in a different deal (albeit for a lot less value) for another piece at the deadline or next offseason. I’m alright with that.

Lakers get three + shooting vets to add to their rotation and they get a team to take that cancer off their hands. Addition by subtraction and addition by addition. I also think adding three expiring contracts actually help them more than trying to preserve cap space.

Jazz get a couple of decent assets out of the deal and open up more playing time and bigger roles to younger players (Sexton, Agbaji and Fontecchio specifically). And even though they have to eat $45+ million to buy out Westbrook, they get off of millions in tied up salary cap space - possibly opening up one or maybe even two max cap slots next year.

I just don’t like the fact that they can just decide to spend money that uear and be really good and we lose the swap right.

 

[The Midnight]

Would the Lakers give up a pick for those two in a Westbrook dump?

If i were them i would. They’re letting this season slip away otherwise. If Kobe was still here he’d tell Jeanie to do it in a heartbeat.

 

[jom2003]

I said earlier if we win, I’m pro win as many games, we are too good. There’s a lot of teams we should beat, and I’d agree with both of you if our asset cupboard was empty, but that thing is stocked pretty good. We have plenty of avenues to improve the team.

At this point I have no issue with the team trying to win every game but I'd still very much prefer us doing it with our young guns than vets who are only here on rental deals.

Take Kessler for example. He had the best +/- tonight and that would've made a much sweeter W if we gave him 30 min, he scored double/double and we blew the pelicans out of their own building.

Instead, we benched Kessler for the vets, allowed Pels to force OT, and risked getting vets injured with all the heavy minutes.

 

[FrenchJazzFa]

I will wait another 5-8 games before forgetting about the tank. Danny will never trade for Westbrick unless he got fantastic deal , something i can understand.

 

[LogGrad98]

The more we win, the better our assets look.

The problem is I don't want to trade some of these dudes.

One thing is for sure, though: Pelinka really screwed up by not trading for Bogdonovic, Beasley, and whoever else. The Jazz may have lost the trade with Detroit, but the Lakers are looking at a lost season.

So the Lakers will get Wemby then. Greeeaaaaaaattt.....


Of ****ing course they will.

 

[infection]

So the Lakers will get Wemby then. Greeeaaaaaaattt.....


Of ****ing course they will.

They don’t have their pick.

 

[LogGrad98]

They don’t have their pick.

Oh they will find a way. Silver has their back.

 

[infection]

Oh they will find a way. Silver has their back.

They will retroactively rescind the trade and send AD back to NOP.

 

[Mr. T]

So the Lakers will get Wemby then. Greeeaaaaaaattt.....


Of ****ing course they will.

I may be wrong but I believe Pels own the Lakers first rounder..? If so, there seems to be a decent chance for Zion/Victor combo.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Instead, we benched Kessler for the vets, allowed Pels to force OT, and risked getting vets injured with all the heavy minutes.

How was Kessler going to stop Pels from forcing OT? The jazz scored what? 3 points from the 9minute mark until the last minute or so? This makes no sense, he doesn’t need 30 minutes. What if Kessler is in instead of KO? Jazz probably lose. The fact Kessler is getting the minutes he is is huge and rare for the 22nd pick. Unless you are an elite talent most guys have to pay their dues, some more than others.

I mean how many situations are out there where a rookie drafted in the mid teens to 20’s play 30 minutes a game even on a bad team. It’s extremely rare. I’m starting to think the jazz and Ainge weren’t giving lip service when Danny stated the jazz weren’t tanking. I think they are building a team on the fly, I think they’ll be buyers, and are hunting wins. Teams in this mode don’t just Willy nilly throw in rookies and young guys they deem not ready for big minutes to help a team win.

 

[jom2003]

How was Kessler going to stop Pels from forcing OT? The jazz scored what? 3 points from the 9minute mark until the last minute or so? This makes no sense, he doesn’t need 30 minutes. What if Kessler is in instead of KO? Jazz probably lose. The fact Kessler is getting the minutes he is is huge and rare for the 22nd pick. Unless you are an elite talent most guys have to pay their dues, some more than others.

I mean how many situations are out there where a rookie drafted in the mid teens to 20’s play 30 minutes a game even on a bad team. It’s extremely rare. I’m starting to think the jazz and Ainge weren’t giving lip service when Danny stated the jazz weren’t tanking. I think they are building a team on the fly, I think they’ll be buyers, and are hunting wins. Teams in this mode don’t just Willy nilly throw in rookies and young guys they deem not ready for big minutes to help a team win.

Well, believe it or not, Kessler currently has a 2.0 offense +/- and a whopping 141 offensive rating. Him being on the floor does make our offense flow better instead of settling for happy threes like we've seen year after year under Quin. Same reason Rudy made our offense better with his cutting and screen setting despite being limited offensively himself.

Him being on the floor may not have prevented a pels come back and forcing OT, but the fact is we almost blew pels out of the building with him on the floor then simply threw our lead away once we took him out.

 

[Elizah Huge]

The main reason the Pelicans came back was we didn’t score for like a 6 minute stretch lol. McCollum got going offensively and hit some tough shots.

 

[jom2003]

How was Kessler going to stop Pels from forcing OT? The jazz scored what? 3 points from the 9minute mark until the last minute or so? This makes no sense, he doesn’t need 30 minutes. What if Kessler is in instead of KO? Jazz probably lose. The fact Kessler is getting the minutes he is is huge and rare for the 22nd pick. Unless you are an elite talent most guys have to pay their dues, some more than others.

I mean how many situations are out there where a rookie drafted in the mid teens to 20’s play 30 minutes a game even on a bad team. It’s extremely rare. I’m starting to think the jazz and Ainge weren’t giving lip service when Danny stated the jazz weren’t tanking. I think they are building a team on the fly, I think they’ll be buyers, and are hunting wins. Teams in this mode don’t just Willy nilly throw in rookies and young guys they deem not ready for big minutes to help a team win.

And like I said, giving Mike Conley 36min in a game, Olynyk 37 or Lauri 39, given their injury history, does not help us reach whatever goal we are trying to reach this season.