Rayjon Traded to Cleveland for $$$

[jom2003]

We are looking at a repeater tax in 2 years if we keep Rudy. Ducking the tax this year would be smart... easier to do if you squeeze JC and Favs a bit... trading Mike for someone is the easiest way to do it.

we are doing this the dumb way. just trade conley then i'm sure we'll be able to keep all of our money/picks. or had we negotiated our deal with Bojan/Ingles a bit smarter as opposed to the deal we are giving them that pays them more as they get older......

 

[mellow]

Repeater tax for a team that isnt top 4 in the conference seems extreme.

 

[idiot]

We are looking at a repeater tax in 2 years if we keep Rudy. Ducking the tax this year would be smart... easier to do if you squeeze JC and Favs a bit... trading Mike for someone is the easiest way to do it.

I'm not going to begrudge not squeezing JC and Favs in order to save a 2027 2nd-round pick if it means we set the clock back on the repeater tax. I'd rather keep them happy. Those picks are easy enough to get, if needed.

We can scream that we just need to trade Conley in order to avoid the money issues at the tops of our lungs, but we're not changing the Jazz's mind. And they may turn out to be right. OP is more of a risk than MC (even if he's available, which nobody knows), and I'll sure take a year of him over that 2027 2nd rounder + Tucker.

 

[jom2003]

how much do we have to pay the tax? it'd better not be less than the money we have to pay to get those second rounders back in the future

 

[idiot]

how much do we have to pay the tax? it'd better not be less than the money we have to pay to get those second rounders back in the future

If we're doing this to avoid the luxury tax this year, it makes all kind of sense. That way we don't start the repeater clock at least for another year, which can turn into very serious money down the line.

It's not this coming year's tax that's the issue.

 

[jom2003]

the cure cannot be worse than the disease itself is all i'm saying. we gave away 5 picks that we could easily swap for $$$$$$ down the road just to avoid the tax $$$$$. now we are heading towards a COVID season where a mass infection could cut your roster in half at any moment with only 13 active players including Niang, Oni and two rookies. it's like quitting your job, cutting all of your connections with outside world to stay in the basement for a year just so you won't get COVID.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm not going to begrudge not squeezing JC and Favs in order to save a 2027 2nd-round pick if it means we set the clock back on the repeater tax. I'd rather keep them happy. Those picks are easy enough to get, if needed.

We can scream that we just need to trade Conley in order to avoid the money issues at the tops of our lungs, but we're not changing the Jazz's mind. And they may turn out to be right. OP is more of a risk than MC (even if he's available, which nobody knows), and I'll sure take a year of him over that 2027 2nd rounder + Tucker.

Yeah we are just running up a tab though... it’s like one credit card ain’t so bad... 5 or 6 though and it’s starts to get bad.

 

[NAOS]

Yeah we are just running up a tab though... it’s like one credit card ain’t so bad... 5 or 6 though and it’s starts to get bad.

We’ve been moaning about DL, but some of this stuff is starting to look more and more like it’s the machinations of new ownership.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

2nd round picks can be bought... with MONEY.

why are we giving away those second round picks right now? SAVING MONEY.

so you give away money to save money. makes perfect sense. plus i'm sure "when the time comes", the price on 2nd draft picks will be much higher than the money we supposedly just saved.

AND I have serious doubts about the jazz being a good team in the long run as we currently have little to no solution for the moment when Ingles/Bojan/Conley runs out of gas. heck, it's not even known if rudy's gonna be here past 2021. it could've been picks in the 30s that we are giving up

Luxury tax has repeater actions. It's smart to avoid the tax when you can so you dont start that clock. Getting out of the tax now might save you tens of millions down the line if you pay the tax later.

 

[idiot]

Yeah we are just running up a tab though... it’s like one credit card ain’t so bad... 5 or 6 though and it’s starts to get bad.

Running up a tab is often needed for teams that feel like they're contenders (whether you feel like we're contenders, or whether we've run up the tab on the right stuff is a separate issue, of course). At least we're not where the Clips and Lakers are in terms of future assets.

 

[jom2003]

Luxury tax has repeater actions. It's smart to avoid the tax when you can so you dont start that clock. Getting out of the tax now might save you tens of millions down the line if you pay the tax later.

i understand that. but there are much better ways to do this than what we just did. teams pays millions of dollars for second rounders on draft night. who is to say the picks we just gave away won't worth tens of millions of $ on its own?

in 2027 joe/conley are both 40yr old, Bojan 38, Favs 36, rudy 35. it's gonna be a complete different jazz team as far as salary is concerned. So many things can happen between now and then. and doors that can lead us to avoid the tax anytime down the road. but right now we are going all in on what potentially could be a very dangerous path.

 

[idiot]

We’ve been moaning about DL, but some of this stuff is starting to look more and more like it’s the machinations of new ownership.

Could be. I think you're right in the sense that there's not a single person we can point to for moves like this, though we always want to put someone's name on it.

I frankly don't find the effort to get out of this year's tax (if that's indeed what it is) to be very surprising (or even out-of-character compared to what we've seen in the past). If you're that close, there's every reason to get below it.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Why include it then? We sent a player... they have to send something more than cash not us... so they can send us some BS rights or a never conveying second rounder. Would love to get the whole story on this and other trades.

Probably because the cavs needed an incentive to take him on and help the jazz

 

[NAOS]

Could be. I think you're right in the sense that there's not a single person we can point to for moves like this, though we always want to put someone's name on it.

I frankly don't find the effort to get out of this year's tax (if that's indeed what it is) to be very surprising (or even out-of-character compared to what we've seen in the past). If you're that close, there's every reason to get below it.

For sure. Makes loads of sense. The costs to get below are looking kinda steep, though. And from my seat, the moves to get there have felt unusually awkward.

 

[Elizah Huge]

For sure. Makes loads of sense. The costs to get below are looking kinda steep, though. And from my seat, the moves to get there have felt unusually awkward.

Yes, especially when we could have just made Clarkson’s salary this year lower to stay under and put it on the back end when we will be in the tax anyways. Gave away a 2nd rounder for nothing basically. In the grand scheme of things it’s not a big deal at all. Just seems extremely sloppy.

 

[framer]

Don't you receive like a 7 million dollar payment from the league for staying under the LT cap? Seems like you could buy a few 2nd rounders for 7 million dollars. . . Seems kind of strange to be working on this now when normally teams start doing these deals before the deadline. I suspect the roster spot is more important than the money, but who knows?

 

[homeytennis]

The Tucker signing bugged me. Initially I thought he would be given a bunch of minutes after cutting Jeff Green to prove himself and it didn't happen. It also sent a signal to everyone on the Stars roster that DL and Quin think you suck despite that you won the Vegas tournament and team Tucker was playing on at the time .

 

[NUMBERICA]

Just when I thought I couldn’t have more contempt for this organization.

So many ways the team could save this money (could Clarkson - who had no market above the MLE - or Favors - who probably never had that strong a market in the first place - be negotiated with just a little, or could we try to trade someone and take less salary back?) and they just won’t.

 

[jom2003]

in two years we could be a lottery team on the course of rebuild that is trying to take on salary/picks which would make all the moves we are making right now look extremely dumb.

ingles deal gonna expire and we currently have no candidate to take on his role/salary.

bojan's deal gonna expire and we currently have no candidtae to take on his role/salary.

conley will be long gone.

rudy is a big question mark.

is a core of DM/royce/JC really enough to help us make a deep run in the playoffs?

think about it.

 

[SCS]

Luxury tax has repeater actions. It's smart to avoid the tax when you can so you dont start that clock. Getting out of the tax now might save you tens of millions down the line if you pay the tax later.

So why not structure the contracts of Favors, Clarkson and Hughes in a way where we don't have to trade a pick and a young talent to save a measly 100k to avoid the tax?

The Jazz literally pay people to get the numbers right on things like this.

This is a disgrace. One of the worst things I've seen from the Jazz front office. Horrific mismanagement.