D
Deleted member 848
Guest
Anyone see Smart last night? Insane talent on both sides
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Realistic expectations for Exum, our future star
- Thread starter Jamezz
- Start date
homeytennis
Well-Known Member
Boom Bitches and Beans had better numbers as a 19 year old.
That's the worst part. Low TO means he isn't trying anything outside of what he is comfortable with. He needs to try and force somethings so he can see what works and what doesn't work. Right now it's just swing passes, dribble around aimlessly through picks while realizing no one is guarding him, pass it to someone else who isn't open because the floor spacing sucks and Exum doesn't need to be guarded by anyone. Maybe have the occasional game where he hits some wide open spot-up 3's.
Douchebag K
Well-Known Member
Seriously, you do realise he isn't trying anything outside of what he's being asked to do ? If you think he's dribbling up court and passing off to just get rid of the ball then you're on drugs. He's sticking to what is being instructed and the plays called. I'm as frustrated as anyone as him not utilizing his gifts, but here's an idea ... how about the dumbass coach does something creative like call a clearout for him and tell him to take it one on one ? Or clears a side and put him in a pick and roll with anyone who isn't a big spaz offensively ??
It's excruciating watching some of the "passing game" that has no purpose and results in clogged spacing and nobody with any idea of what they're doing except Hayward. We suck and at this point i put a lot of it down to the style of game being played.
QuinSnydersHair
Well-Known Member
This is what I would term complete and utter garbage.
Both Hayward and Favors are slowly turning into something good, and I still see flashes that they could be great. Not holding my breath though.
And my point is?
I'm willing to be patient with the coaches and FO while they develop the players slowly, and hopefully the right way. That being said I still want to see more pt for Exum, and Gobert even if it means less for Booker and Ingles even if I like them both for different reasons.
And my point is?
I'm willing to be patient with the coaches and FO while they develop the players slowly, and hopefully the right way. That being said I still want to see more pt for Exum, and Gobert even if it means less for Booker and Ingles even if I like them both for different reasons.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
While I too am frustrated by Exum's timidness when it comes to driving and creating, I don't see the same aimless passing you do. I see screens being set and players going to definite spots on the floor after passing off. All too often, though, the screens are not utilized and the Jazz are missing wide-open shots. The Sacramento game was a prime example. No one could hit.
To me that screams personnel changes in the off-season. I think the future is with Gobert inside, Favors at PF (he has a good mid-range game) and then three shooters. Trey HAS to be replaced. And I think the ultimate place for Alec is off the bench. Jazz have the money...I'd go hard after Matthews. Offer him Hayward money, which by the time the increases in the cap are fully implemented, will be an average contract for a guard of his caliber. At worst, Portland has to step forward and offer him a comparable deal. If not Wesley, go after Carroll, a very good "3 and D" player. Hayward is capable of playing guard; he comes out to initiate plays quite a bit as it is. Having a 6'6" PG and a 6'8" SG with a 7'1" center would create havoc. That's a lot of length - and arms - getting in passing lanes.
Just a few changes would make this team contend for the playoffs next year.
Douchebag K
Well-Known Member
coming from QuinSnydersHair i'll take that under advisement.
So how do you rate coach's in game adjustments to rotations, opposition plays, players hot on the night, nightmare matchups so far ?? Oh wait, he doesn't make any ....
Douchebag K
Well-Known Member
You sir talk far too much sense !!!!
Darkwing Duck
Well-Known Member
Douchebag K
Well-Known Member
not willing to actually address the question ?
framer
Well-Known Member
Yeah you would almost have to MAX Matthews which would be a LOT more than Hayward in order to pry him away from Portland who are contenders at 16-4. That isn't going to nor should it happen. Dude is going to make more than Parsons, I just see Portland paying that without blinking knowing that when Lillard comes due, Matthews at 17 million is tradeable. . .
Darkwing Duck
Well-Known Member
Wouldn't matter. Appears we're dealing with a Puerto Rican Carlos Arroyo fan type poster, so no amount of basketball talk will convince you the player is at fault given you want a coach to call an isolation play for a nineteen year old with current questionable handles, a severely inefficient play, or think Exum never gets opportunities in a pick an roll when that's what the offense is based on, getting a scrambling, non-set defense into an on ball pick situation. Hood, Hayward, Burke, and Burks have had no problem finding a way to initiate offense in the exact same offense, which is basically a 3 wing-2 big set.
Douchebag K
Well-Known Member
lol i'll take it you're fine with how effective the sets are at the moment and the adjustments being made as each game goes on and we stink it up more and more. Are you comfortable with the offense producing a lot of jump shots when our players are poor shooters at best ? Happy with seeing Kanter shoot long range jump shots constantly ? Do you think the players are playing hard all the time ? At the moment i see lethargy and confusion. Are you not at all concerned that our level of play seems to be gradually worse compared to the early part of the season ? I've followed the Jazz for 20 years btw thanks for the impressive "basketball talk"
Jamezz
Well-Known Member
Still scratching my head about this one. The one move of Lindsey's I didn't like...
Jamezz
Well-Known Member
A genuine Australian Jazz fan who now gets to follow 2 Aussies in the team, respect mate. Now while I understand that coach could try getting Exum more involved I would like to see some fire in the player himself. So far he seems to just be trailing on...
Darkwing Duck
Well-Known Member
60% of Kanter's shots come from inside 10 feet. 20% from 16 feet to the 3pt line. His TS% is better than his career average. Don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.
Jazz are playing worse because teams know what they're doing now. Offensively, the Jazz have failed to executive reads off the initial option properly. Hayward has mentioned this on more than one occasion. This means they know the options are there. They're just failing to do them. That's the sign of a team whose average age is 24.
Jazz are actually rebounding better than they did earlier in the year. "Playing hard" and being "lethargic" seems more like a player thing than a coach thing. I don't think you could ever put Booker into those two categories. I also don't see confusion. I see bad decisions, which, coincidentally, you'll see Snyder tell his players quite often. Coaches can hold players to higher standards all you want. Won't mean a thing until the players do the same.
Despite everything that DownUnder is saying, as it stands today, the Jazz can replace Exum with JP Gibson and not miss a beat. I don't buy the theory that it's all the coaching staff's plan, since Hood plays with more aggression and intensity than 90% of the team. Quin simply needs to instruct Exum to have at least one play per game where he attacks the rim with everything he has. You don't learn if you don't make mistakes. I want to see that TO number TRIPLE.
magic
Well-Known Member
After watching Exum in the Spurs game, I think he is finally being allowed to penetrate more and even had a couple of plays called for him so that he could develop his skills.
And I'm so glad Kanter is playing with the second unit now instead of Hayward because:
1.) His defense isn't as much of a liability
2.) Regarding offense, the marginal benefit of him playing against backup power forwards is greater than that of Hayward playing against backup SG/SFs
3.) Hayward doesn't get to hog the ball and Exum can actually spend more time developing as a point guard instead of a shooting guard who stands in the corner and watches Hayward dribble
And I'm so glad Kanter is playing with the second unit now instead of Hayward because:
1.) His defense isn't as much of a liability
2.) Regarding offense, the marginal benefit of him playing against backup power forwards is greater than that of Hayward playing against backup SG/SFs
3.) Hayward doesn't get to hog the ball and Exum can actually spend more time developing as a point guard instead of a shooting guard who stands in the corner and watches Hayward dribble