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Reasons you left the LDS church.

I'm ashamed to be in the same profession as Conan. He's bugging me and I want to kick the **** out of him but admittedly, probably couldn't so I'd just kick him in the nuts and run instead.
 
I know how Mormons talk about non-Mormons
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moevillini said:
Believe it or not, there is a difference between "slamming' some of the behavior of members of the church and actually slamming the church itself.
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GVC said:
Do you expect Conan to understand that distinction?
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The issue is stereotyping, which you think people who tend to get stereotyped a lot would avoid. The quote above has no qualifier like "most" or "some". It implies ALL mormons talk badly about non-mormons. So in this case Conan was right, that is a pretty broad sweeping judgement/generalization.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The issue is stereotyping, which you think people who tend to get stereotyped a lot would avoid. The quote above has no qualifier like "most" or "some". It implies ALL mormons talk badly about non-mormons. So in this case Conan was right, that is a pretty broad sweeping judgement/generalization.
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The distinction is between members of the church and the church itself. Where did I slam the church?
 
GVC said:
The distinction is between members of the church and the church itself. Where did I slam the church?
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So you can stereotype the people all you want, making jackass blanket claims (that are patently false) that all mormons talk badly about non-mormons as long as you don't slam the church itself? I am sure you love to be stereotyped the same way, right?

Nice hypocrisy there.
 
LogGrad98 said:
So you can stereotype the people all you want, making jackass blanket claims (that are patently false) that all mormons talk badly about non-mormons as long as you don't slam the church itself? I am sure you love to be stereotyped the same way, right?

Nice hypocrisy there.
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This.
 
GVC said:
The distinction is between members of the church and the church itself. Where did I slam the church?
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Saying "Same ol Sunday School ****" is not a slam on the people and if you meant it to be you failed miserably.

Either you are generally slamming the Church or generally slamming the people. Still a tool move either way.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
Dang I read just part of this thread and people are having a hard time!

I am a biology major, so I guess you can say I am a man of science.
After watching this video I converted to Islam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJiPTCtAPAY&feature=fvst

Islam only religion with no scientific error, only religion to suggest marrying one wife (gives limit of four, but is ONLY one that says you should marry one if you can't treat fair AND wife approves), only religion to give women inheritance rights, Really the only religion that gives god all the glory, no pictures/statues worshipping jesus, buddha, Joseph Smith etc.

If someone can find one scientific error in Koran I will become an Atheist (Bible has over 10,000 like Dragonfly's have 4 leggs, stars are small objects that can fall, and the sky cannot be penetrated).

People attribute the miracles of the Koran to that science was advanced back then. Not true, Arabs become advanced AFTER the Koran, not before. The Koran said that Muslims will conquer Constantinople. 1/5th of the Koran is about science and none of it is contradicted.

Religion is not a buffet. You cannot take parts of it and leave the rest.
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Ahh, another resident muslim. I hope this post wasn't meant in as much of a condescending matter as I am reading it, though. In the end of the day, the purpose of religion is to help us become better people. If I see a person who has become a model human being through anything from shintoism, to christianity, then I have no reason to slam their faith, or tell him that its inaccurate. In the end it might be, but if the end-result is the same, then does it really matter? Some questions I have always thought about.
 
LogGrad98 said:
So you can stereotype the people all you want, making jackass blanket claims (that are patently false) that all mormons talk badly about non-mormons as long as you don't slam the church itself? I am sure you love to be stereotyped the same way, right?

Nice hypocrisy there.
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I never said any of that. I was only responding to a specific accusation Conan made. Your time of the month?
 
And, just for fun, do either of you disagree with me? Is it uncommon to hear Mormons making unfair generalizations about non-Mormons in church? Is it uncommon for Mormons to make the distinction between the membership and the church (that is, something along the lines of "the church is perfect, but the members aren't")? I didn't say anything particularly inflammatory about the church (or its members). In fact, the only direct statement I made about the church in this thread was complimentary.

meh.
 
GVC said:
I know how Mormons talk about non-Mormons, I've been there, and it bugs the hell out of me because it's often inaccurate, condescending and dismissive. Shameful.
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Yes, you never said any of it. Have you ever heard me talking about non-mormons? Or Colton? That is a blanket statement, and it is stereotyping, and it is false. It is probably true for some mormons, but no where near enough to justify labeling the entire group. It is exactly what you claimed not to have said.

But then again, you might be cut from the Clinton cloth. "Depends on what MY definition of 'is' is."

GVC said:
I never said any of that. I was only responding to a specific accusation Conan made. Your time of the month?
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If the "time of the month" comment makes you feel superior, then sure, it is my time of the month. Is it ever your time of the month to own up to the **** that spews out of your mouth (or keyboard)?
 
Are you stoned? You're argument that stereotyping all mormons is ok is admitting you were generalizing?

The funny thing is you are doing just what you claim "mormons" do. Inaccurate, condescending and dismissive. Shameful.
 
GVC said:
And, just for fun, do either of you disagree with me? Is it uncommon to hear Mormons making unfair generalizations about non-Mormons in church? Is it uncommon for Mormons to make the distinction between the membership and the church (that is, something along the lines of "the church is perfect, but the members aren't")? I didn't say anything particularly inflammatory about the church (or its members). In fact, the only direct statement I made about the church in this thread was complimentary.

meh.
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No question there are some tool Mormons in that context. I don't think it's as rampant as you think it is and I don't think it's fair to generalize that behavior across a whole religion. That's the beef here. I can count on one hand the times I've heard a Mormon legitimately make broad generalizations about non-Mormons. Not saying those folks don't exist. Maybe there's a bunch of em but I doubt it. I don't even think they're a vocal minority. I haven't run into them much at all. But you're welcome to your opinion on that but I think it's pretty slamming to just paint the whole group like you have. Smacks of some serious bitterness.

For example, in my experiences with inactives they are almost 100% bitter to some degree. But I'm not going to paint all inactives as bitter over anectdotal evidence.

It wouldn't be very good for me anyway as most of my friends are non-LDS/inactive.

Something else though and maybe this is more where you were going is that I think there are plenty of Mormons that look down on non-Mormons. I don't think it's even close to a majority but definitely folks out there you just get a feel for that maybe don't directly slam non-LDS but you just get a feel for them.

Whatever, I'll never be close enough to perfect to take that stance anyway.

So to tie up this rambling post and to answer your questions I'd say it's very uncommon to hear Mormons making unfair generalizaitons about non-LDS and also uncommon for Mormons to claim being a member somehow makes them perfect. All my opinion and mostly based off my experiences.
 
GVC said:
Your time of the month?
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Dude your time of the month is anytime you post. Granted the Internet doesn't translate well but you sure come across as aggravated a lot of the time. You don't seem that way in person so it's probably just an Internet thing.
 
I don't think I said anything inaccurate or dismissive. It was clear I was making a generalization that doesn't apply to all Mormons. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be admitting to and apologizing for.

Again, my entry into this thread was because of a post that could have been implying that ALL non-religious people are selfish. I qualified that statement, stating that if Jazzspazz were only talking about himself personally, he could ignore what I said.
 
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