Reggie Jackson's year

[jom2003]

So your brilliant GM philosophy would be to pay a guy 15M a year and then if he doesn't fit in (which would presumably mean he sucks for us), just trade him as if so many teams would a guy at 15M a year even though he's been ****ty and hasmany years left on his deal.

You're a genius.

Yeah right. Like paying an ACTUAL NBA player 15M a year is so much worse than paying 5 Dleaguers 3M a year. What would the jazz do with all these extra money anyways? Like overpaying its starter players? The jazz is currently ranked 28th in terms of payroll right now, and you are a fine example of why GMs like DL manages to screw arond every summer and still keeps his job

 

[fishonjazz]

Jackson would of signed with Utah too as a free agent. I personally know the kid. Talked to him about this last season. He likes to play with big guys who can crash the boards and play defense sincehe is a scoring point guard. His family is in the Springs which wouldof been nice for him. He is a laid back good kid off the court too and would of fit in well since yall like clean cut guys on your team. From a military family. Comparing Kanter to Jackson just because of some attitude is insane. Kanter cant play and is garbage. Jackson can actually hoop.

Lol

 

[Miggs]

The better-case scenario is it works very well. The worse-case is you trip and get nothing out the asset you trade away.

On the other hand, you could just get squat (the worse-case) from the get-go and not have to worry about whether something will go well or not?

I guess I kind of get that. But only kind of.

This is completely disingenuous. The worst case is we're on the hook for four years for a 15M a year guard who is underperforming and a pain in the ***.

Also, I love how you never responded to my initial post, ya know, about how playing time would be a major issue, not to mention other things I didn't mention, like clearly defined roles and the notion that Jackson may have had zero interest in coming here not only because of the city and culture but because of the fact that it was pretty obvious Exum was our starting point guard. Let's continue to ignore what could have very obvious issues in signing him or other wings.

 

[silesian]

Dennis Lindsey sucks.

In the long run he will prove to be an average starting PG. Really where you want to spend max money?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

We could have signed Jackson to a max and traded him this year. He would be a great trade piece.

This is only true because he blew up this year. At the time of the trade it would have been pure speculation to think he'd play at this level, and signing him to a max contract would have been a huge risk. If he had under performed his contract would have become untradable.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This is only true because he blew up this year. At the time of the trade it would have been pure speculation to think he'd play at this level, and signing him to a max contract would have been a huge risk. If he had under performed his contract would have become untradable.

He had been putting up very good numbers on his rookie contract. It wasn't wild speculation to think he would improve.

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[My2Cents]

He had been putting up very good numbers on his rookie contract. It wasn't wild speculation to think he would improve.

Maybe, but his numbers in OKC were modest. 13 PPG on 43% shooting and 4 APG in 28 minutes. And that's in his third and fourth years which is where Trey is now. Doesn't really scream max contract to me but I'm not a GM. I don't think DL wanted to commit 14 mil to a PG not named Exum. I guess he could have looked at it as asset accumulation but that was risky. Trey isn't 6' 3" but he's putting up similar numbers in his third year.

 

[fishonjazz]

Maybe, but his numbers in OKC were modest. 13 PPG on 43% shooting and 4 APG in 28 minutes. And that's in his third and fourth years which is where Trey is now. Doesn't really scream max contract to me but I'm not a GM. I don't think DL wanted to commit 14 mil to a PG not named Exum. I guess he could have looked at it as asset accumulation but that was risky. Trey isn't 6' 3" but he's putting up similar numbers in his third year.

Good post

 

[NUMBERICA]

This is completely disingenuous. The worst case is we're on the hook for four years for a 15M a year guard who is underperforming and a pain in the ***.

Also, I love how you never responded to my initial post, ya know, about how playing time would be a major issue, not to mention other things I didn't mention, like clearly defined roles and the notion that Jackson may have had zero interest in coming here not only because of the city and culture but because of the fact that it was pretty obvious Exum was our starting point guard. Let's continue to ignore what could have very obvious issues in signing him or other wings.

I don't really have the time or interest to spend 15 minutes on getting into it on my 30-minute break, but the first thing is Hood wasn't demanding huge minutes (and frankly isn't demanding them so far this year in the aggregate), and saying Jackson wouldn't want to be here is 100% conjecture (at least if we're talking about location).

 

[franklin]

This is completely disingenuous. The worst case is we're on the hook for four years for a 15M a year guard who is underperforming and a pain in the ***.

Also, I love how you never responded to my initial post, ya know, about how playing time would be a major issue, not to mention other things I didn't mention, like clearly defined roles and the notion that Jackson may have had zero interest in coming here not only because of the city and culture but because of the fact that it was pretty obvious Exum was our starting point guard. Let's continue to ignore what could have very obvious issues in signing him or other wings.

BPA. You don't turn down a great player in the draft because you have several stop gaps at the position. So why would you pass on a guy in a trade for the same reason? That's bad asset management.

 

[silesian]

BPA. You don't turn down a great player in the draft because you have several stop gaps at the position. So why would you pass on a guy in a trade for the same reason? That's bad asset management.

Bad asset management is spending 21% of your cap room for an average starting PG.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Bad asset management is spending 21% of your cap room for an average starting PG.

1. Salary floor/the Jazz do jack **** with the space they have on the market. It certainly wouldn't have mattered this year.
2. Jackson's salary will be significantly under the max/21% of the cap by the time that number would matter to the Jazz (next year and beyond).

 

[silesian]

. I personally know the kid. Talked to him about this last season. He likes to play with big guys who can crash the boards and play defense sincehe is a scoring point guard. His family is in the Springs which wouldof been nice for him. He is a laid back good kid off the court too and would of fit in well since yall like clean cut guys on your team.

In your conversations with RJ since last summer, what did he say when you asked him about his enthusiasm level for potentially playing for the Jazz? Does he like playing for Stan? Does he hang out with Drummond? You've got the inside information, please share.

 

[silesian]

1. Salary floor/the Jazz do jack **** with the space they have on the market. It certainly wouldn't have mattered this year.
2. Jackson's salary will be significantly under the max/21% of the cap by the time that number would matter to the Jazz (next year and beyond).

If you really think that 4% of the cap materially changes the argument, let me rephrase the statement: bad asset management is spending 17% of your cap room for an average starting PG.

 

[Miggs]

BPA. You don't turn down a great player in the draft because you have several stop gaps at the position. So why would you pass on a guy in a trade for the same reason? That's bad asset management.

Reggie Jackson was looked at as a great player this off-season? LULZ, okay.

 

[Miggs]

I don't really have the time or interest to spend 15 minutes on getting into it on my 30-minute break, but the first thing is Hood wasn't demanding huge minutes (and frankly isn't demanding them so far this year in the aggregate), and saying Jackson wouldn't want to be here is 100% conjecture (at least if we're talking about location).

Please do the math for me on Exum, Burke, Jackson, Burks, Hood and Hayward then. I'm on pins and needles knowing how'd you distribute minutes if you were the coach.

 

[GVC]

Please do the math for me on Exum, Burke, Jackson, Burks, Hood and Hayward then. I'm on pins and needles knowing how'd you distribute minutes if you were the coach.

Do you actually think the Jazz have too much talent at the 1-3 currently? As a coach, you give minutes to the players who help you win now and in the future. You let management worry about roster construction.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather have a team struggling to figure out what to do with excess talent than a team playing fringe NBA players rotation minutes. Keep in mind, the Spurs have had loaded rosters for a while, and manage just fine. So far this season, Tony Parker is averaging 27 minutes, Danny Green is averaging 26 minutes, and Boris Diaw is averaging 19 minutes. Trevor Booker is averaging 22 minutes, Rodney Hood is averaging 30 minutes, Trey Burke is averaging 23 minutes, and Raul Neto is averaging 17 minutes.

What the Jazz need is less talent...What a ****ing joke.

 

[GVC]

I guess he could have looked at it as asset accumulation but that was risky.

Not really. The Jazz are effectively at the salary floor for the second consecutive season, and below the cap (i.e. well below the LT) for the third consecutive season.They don't have anyone up for a new contract this coming offseason, so the Jazz will be below the cap again next season -- or possibly slightly above if they use all their cap space (hahahahahaha) and their space MLE -- and nowhere near the luxury tax. Contracts are shorter under the new CBA, and can be stretched out in buyouts using the stretch provision. The most expensive multi-year player DL has acquired to date is Trevor Booker (who the Jazz had an option to buy out after 1 season...so maybe Pleiss is DL's most expensive multi-year acquisition to date. Let that sink in.). That Jazz fans are worried about the cap situation and minutes allocation of a team at the salary floor, 4 games below .500, with an idle GM, playing fringe players real minutes is crazy.

 

[franklin]

If you really think that 4% of the cap materially changes the argument, let me rephrase the statement: bad asset management is spending 17% of your cap room for an average starting PG.

Utahans are known for wanting everything for nothing. Did you attend BYU by chance?

 

[silesian]

Utahans are known for wanting everything for nothing. Did you attend BYU by chance?

Nope, East Coast guy who lived in SLC in the 1990s. I attended Carnegie Mellon, Johns Hopkins and Lehigh. Why do you ask?