Reggie Jackson's year
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Burke wouldn't be in the regular rotation any longer (probably thrown in the trade), and Hood would be playing pure-sub minutes on average (16 or fewer mpg) unless he showed he is a consistent contributor (that includes his penchant for missing games with injury).
It's nice that Burke sucks less this year, and that Hood has shown potential. But neither of those things has amounted to much, and it amounted to much less at the deadline last year.
To reiterate/rephrase: Too much talent is the best problem you can have, and the Jazz don't and didn't have the luxury of that problem. It looks like they won't anytime soon, either.
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It's like the Jazz were hoping on the best case scenario for every player in terms of development, and so far teh worst case (or near worst case) has happened for a lot of them. Gobert has been out nearly half the season, Exum is out all season, Burks is going to miss over a month, Booker never expanded his 3pt game, and Pleiss is terrible.
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This pretty much nailed it on the head. Even dismissing the injuries, we found out Burks was average, Gobert didn't improve, Hood didn't improve. Zero player development this year outside of Trey Burke. Incredibly rare for an age group in the 22-24 range.
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This is a very good assessment.
Locke went on a mini rant about how those saying we didn't add talent were stupid because where would they have gotten minutes. There were small moves that could have been done to improve the team without touching playing time. Harkless, Lamb, and Dudley were had for nothing.... nothing. I don't understand why not take a chance on one of those upside guys instead of 28 year old d league guys.
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Locke's a shill. This team still needs to add talent to ever hope to contend.
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Some of you play to many video games and don't know running a pro team is totally different. Get out your moms basement and go to the court and actually play instead of being an armchair gm when you blow at it.. Don't need players because you have some players. Whata fing joke some of you are
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I need to get out of your mom's bedroom
We might have been able to get Lamb in the Kanter trade. They didn't need to involve Detroit. I think Jackson, Lamb, and Jerrett for Kanter would have worked, but I don't know if OKC would have done it. They wanted to get rid of Perkins. Also, a trade to Utah would not have resolved the issue Jackson had in OKC. He wanted to start. With Exum here I think he would have tried his best to move on from Utah. Not a knock on Jackson. He wanted to be somewhere he could start and get major minutes. Hard to say how that would have played out. Don't know if we would have tried to re-sign him or matched a big offer.
Why did the Jazz lock up and end of the bench Euro for 3 seasons? What a waste of cap space by DL.
Which pro team are you currently running? Just curious how you are qualified to understand what it really takes to run a NBA team. F'ing joke armchair GM, indeed.
A nuanced assessment. You obviously don't belong here. : - )
For those of you who forgot NColorado's pre-draft view on Exum: “Jazz Board should look like this: Jabari, Gordon, Exum, Smart”
Hey, ncolorado...pssst.....let me whisper a little secret: If you keep saying "I was right" often enough it does not make it true.
Tell Reggie Jackson we said "hi"
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He's easily the stupidest poster on this site. Take just a moment to think about what an accomplishment that is. Wow.
Who would Jackson be playing behind once he was traded here? Burks was already out, and Hood missed as many games with a bum foot and diarrhea than he played. Joe Ingles?
Exum and Hood. Hood didn't miss any games after the trade deadline and was playing well. I can't say for sure what Q would have done, but I think Jackson would have been coming off the bench and competing with Burke for time. Or maybe Q would have run Burke and Jackson together with the second unit. Either way Jackson would have been a backup and we could have been in the same situation OKC was running away from, with a disgruntled backup PG who wanted to start.
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As far as I know, the Jazz were still committed to Exum when the season ended so how would that be any different than Jackson's OKC situation with Westbrook? The Jazz couldn't guarantee Jackson a starting spot for 2015-16 so I'm not sure how anxious Jackson would have been to resign (Exum wasn't hurt until August). I guess they could have rolled the dice and matched an offer though. It might have been a little less expensive to do that if Jackson were coming off the bench in Utah the last two months of the season instead of playing in Detroit. I don't really know jack*** though. I'm just speculating.
But we're talking about before the trade deadline.
Hood had missed more than half of the games of the season to that point (he had played in 45% of them, to be precise), and Hood had scored more than 10 points exactly two times. He was shooting 31%. He had also missed 12 consecutive games leading into the deadline (he also missed three games after the deadline, FWIW).
Hood was not making a case as a legit starter at all to that point (and the case this season hasn't been a homerun, either). Jackson was, and they could've had a chance to see what he would've done on the Jazz before the Jazz had to make a decision longterm. I take that audition a million times over a platter of 2nd rounders.
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Look, I love Dante Exum and his potential, but Reggie Jackson would have clearly been the starter down the stretch and Exum/Burke would have come off the bench. At the point the trade was made, Dante Exum had started 11 games and averaged 1.9 rebounds per game, 3.2 assists per game and 5.0 points per game. And while his defense was exceptional for a rookie, he was clearly in over his head as a starter offensively.
On the flip side of that, Reggie Jackson finished the season with the Pistons with 4.7 rebounds per game (+2.9), a whopping 9.2 assists per game (+6.5) and 17.6 points per game (+12.6). Not that I think they'd have made the playoffs with Jackson starting over Exum, but they lost 6 out of their 10 games by less than 5 points.
Outside of Kanter and his offensive potential, Reggie Jackson was clearly the best player (and asset) in that deal. Maybe they wouldn't have wanted to risk signing him to the contract that Detroit did. . . but I've got to think that he'd have started, played as well in Utah and they'd have been happy to bring him back in the offseason.
Maybe. No doubt he was one of the best two players in the trade. To argue whether he would have started is probably pointless though. The question for me is why he didn't end up in Utah in the first place. Either DL didn't ask about him, which would make him inept, he asked but OKC didn't want to include him (they got Singler so maybe they were looking for a wing), or he was available but DL didn't want him. My premise is that the Jazz were, and are, fully committed to Exum as a 30-35 MPG guy. If that's true, I can see why they might not want Jackson. What would be the point? We weren't playing for anything and were trying to develop our PG of the future. Why muddy the waters with another PG who wasn't in our long term plans. Exum needed all the minutes he could get. That's why I don't think we would have started Jackson. Numberica could be right though that they would have started Jackson in place of Ingles or Hood. But who knows?
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For me it's really the long view that's relevant, for the Jazz and Jackson. With Exum in place the Jazz would not want to commit big bucks to a backup PG, and Jackson would not want to sign on as Exum's backup. Maybe the Jazz underestimated him but he was averaging 28 MPG in OKC and putting up average numbers. Maybe we could have treated him as an asset, but you'd have to sign him first. If the Jazz didn't think they could re-sign him or that he would be a distraction then they were better off with the first round pick. OKC was in the exact same situation and punted. Should we have taken a flyer? Maybe, but I think Jackson would have walked for nothing and everyone would be complaining about it.
Exum, and his 5.7 PER? The beer goggles you people have for this guy must be a mile thick. Exum has done nothing in the NBA, or elsewhere for that matter. Reggie is putting up a 21.7 PER this season. He is playing like a top-30 player in the NBA. Dante's numbers resemble a mediocre DLeaguer.