jope
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jerry's system, as grinding and stagnant as you remember it, produced an above league average oRtg a whopping 20 times in his 23 seasons.
remember when our offense looked like this?
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jerry's system, as grinding and stagnant as you remember it, produced an above league average oRtg a whopping 20 times in his 23 seasons.
jope
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Quin's offense has produced 3 of the 6 worst relative oRtgs in Jazz History.
jope
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possibly
jope
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People keep saying this, but are ill-informed. I finally found the metrics measuring this via stats.nba.com .. Jazz take the 4th most "very-tight" contested shots in the league, and take the 7th fewest "wide open" shots in the league. hardly a ****TON
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Not to mention, the shots we get that are open are often long two's not the three's and paint shots a good offense in today's NBA should create.
The Fresh Prince
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I'm still mad at Quins rotations in the end of the Memphis game.
jope
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me too
reignman40
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ghsartin
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I don't want to sound pesty but your post made me wonder how can anyone be a huge fan of a coach who installs an offensive system that is really hard to watch? I would get it if you were a "fan" or a "fan with some reservations" - which is my case -, but a "huge fan"? To me, Snyder sounds smart, articulate and reasonable, but there is something wrong in the offense that he installed. What makes it even more frustrating to me is that I can't really put my finger on it. Of course the percentage of baskets that are assisted is really low but it is not like the team is not passing the ball out there. It seems, though, that most of the passes don't lead anywhere... Well, I'm really frustrated and just venting.
By the way, I think Snyder should hire an offensive coordinator. What you guys think?
jope
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The concerning thing to me was when he joined the organization how highly he was praised as an offensive mastermind. He had dissertations on offensive schemes and was supposed to be revolutionary.
It starts to feel like when you BS on a resume because you're a smooth talker, and sort of fly by the seat of your pants when you get the job
enchilada_style
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We have a couple bigs that are decent passers but nowhere near Karl. We've been rolling with pg's for years that would struggle running a pick n roll at the rec center. Hill is vital to this offense its been pretty obvious as of late. I would like to watch a vintage Jerry offense with Mack running the show maybe he could make it work since he's one of the best but I'm doubtful.
Snyder seems a good talker. I think it was a mistake to give him a long-term contract extension at the end of the last season. He had to earn such a long contract with the results.
devin_c
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It seems there is a small hesitation on every move we make. Whether it's coming around a screen or passing it off to another player, the players do not have enough trust in our system to move on to the next action. We're half a second too late in our reaction to reading the defense. It's hard to explain, but after watching other teams on league pass it's noticeable. Watch how quickly Reddick curls around a screen by Griffin while trying to find space. Our offense has no quick momentum like that, it's always stagnant and ends up with a shot off the dribble.
Big whoop. This team doesn't have a top 20 player in the NBA. Sloan had 2 top 20 players of all time.
jope
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sloan produced the #1 offense in the NBA with offensive talent similar to this year's team.
NAOS
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sacrilege to not mention Johnson directly.
jope
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To elaborate, yes he had deron and boozer, two above average offensive players on that #1 team. other than that, 3 of the top 8 rotation guys were guys who scored almost exclusively on fast breaks or set plays (AK47, harpring, brewer), and the others were far from "offensive powerhouse" guys -- millsap could only rebound at that point, okur was actually a low efficiency shooter (44% fga),and Korver was basically the only outside threat.
NAOS
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To me it seems like Quin believes you can import all the philosophy from 'Space-and-Pace' but simply slow it down and it'll still work. I think this is an open question, and one that's likely to be answered in the negative. Teams have had several seasons to adjust to Space-and-Pace, and a slowed down version is just an easier version to defend.
A slow pace can work to your advantage but we aren't making it work for us. There's not enough off-ball action.
A slow pace can work to your advantage but we aren't making it work for us. There's not enough off-ball action.