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Extend both, if the price is right. Jazz managed to pin Millsaps value quite well when they offered him the extension-- so I have full trust in them.
Report: Gordon Hayward, Utah Jazz discussing contract extension
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How again was Favors taking 568 shots last season plus all of the practice that JAZZ BRASS see every day not a chance for the Jazz to gauge his value?
How was Hayward playing over 2100 minutes and taking more shots than Candy Boye last season plus all of the practice that JAZZ BRASS see every day not a chance for the Jazz to gauge his value?
That argument is intellectually bankrupt. The start this season so they'll automatically shine where they did not last year argument is also DOA.
Because we don't know their value has no bearing on the FO or the league gauging value. The league is not pricing Hayward as a sure fire 3rd string All Star, and Favors is nothing more than the potential story that never really panned out on offense but plays good roam d and inferior post d so you need to pair him with a Kendrick Perkins, or a Kanter.
How was Hayward playing over 2100 minutes and taking more shots than Candy Boye last season plus all of the practice that JAZZ BRASS see every day not a chance for the Jazz to gauge his value?
That argument is intellectually bankrupt. The start this season so they'll automatically shine where they did not last year argument is also DOA.
Because we don't know their value has no bearing on the FO or the league gauging value. The league is not pricing Hayward as a sure fire 3rd string All Star, and Favors is nothing more than the potential story that never really panned out on offense but plays good roam d and inferior post d so you need to pair him with a Kendrick Perkins, or a Kanter.
The FO should have a decent idea of what these two can do, but only to a certain extent with Favors and a little bit of uncertainty with Hayward. There is still some grey area about what they will do when the team is "theirs" and they don't have to dump every play down to the black hole on the block. I'd like to see what these guys can do with some ball movement and no designated 1 on 4 play called every other time down the floor. It could be eye opening if they do this right.
This is the first time that I've said I've heard this 1000 times that I actually have heard this 1000 times.
Favors had plenty of plays called for him, and plenty of movement on plays where he was an option. He couldn't get the job done in five hundred and sixty eight shots (806 total plays involved), which is one reason why Jefferson got so many looks last year. 99/100 fanz see it completely opposite of how it really was.
I also find it completely bizarre to suggest that Favors is suddenly going to excel at things he failed at just because Al Jefferson is removed from the lineup. Favors' improvement will be about Favors alone.
Sometimes the crutch needs to be removed for someone to learn to stand on their own two feet.
Litany
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The Harden situation is a prime example of not knowing a players value because of his limited role.
I guaranasstee you they would have dealt Ibaka or gotten WAY more in return for Harden if they would have known he'd perform like he did last year in a larger role instead of sixth man.
Can you stop with this "intellectually bankrupt" blanket statements now ?
We don't know how they will perform and what their true value is.
I'm not saying either one is as good as Harden or close, my point is we don't know the value until they have a significant role and see what they do with it. We see potential. So we either take the risk and sign them for what we think it is or let them play and either its lower or they blow up.
I've heard people talk about how players prepare differently and perform different when they know their contribution will be significant and valuable.
LOL that's why Houston gave him the $80mm maximum.
b_line
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So are we all missing something here that ball park frank is picking up? If favors gets minutes this year, he will average more than 15 points, 11 rebounds and three blocks per game. Seriously. That is without any improvement in his game. That is just adding minutes. If you don't believe that increased minutes lead to increased production at a similar rate, then you don't really watch the jazz. Millsap did it, Matthews did it, Stockton did it. When a bench guy getting minutes like favors is gets a starting role, the production translates.
If we let favors get a contract on the market, we will pay wayyyyyyy more when he is putting up 15, 11 and 3 blocks than we will now. With those numbers he is a max guy. Book it.
And what is this crap about having to pair him with Perkins or kanter? They are vastly different players. Perkins sucks balls and looks like he is constantly sniffing a fart. Kanter will be so good offensively that there won't be room for other post offense anyways. They are the perfect pair. The jazz need to keep favors, and get him locked up now.
UGLI baby
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Was thinking the same thing.
Disappointed to find out I must be wrong.
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Because you're a genius and every GM in the league is too dumb to look at per 36 minutes stats like you. Got it.
He just went full retard.
Beantown
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I didn't read the whole thread. Too low or too high?
I could buy into this argument if there were examples of players who just needed more minutes to prove what they otherwise couldn't prove. There are very few great NBA players who aren't a known commodity in short order.
Favors will grow and consistent minutes might give him confidence (it might kill it too). Hayward has a shot at a true breakout year so I agree with you on locking him up now if possible. That's why his value is so hard to judge. Favors is in a different boat b/c bigs are very hard to judge.
UGLI baby
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Dunno. Simply saying it's unnerving for me to be in agreement with you.
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b_line
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So you are telling me a guy that averages a double double and leads the league in blocks won't get a huge contract? Right now, he is worth a lot of money. Not max, but a lot. He will be worth a lot more after this coming season.
Why don't you just say what you really mean? It is tiresome to have to read your posts and try to decode what we think you might mean. Do you think we should extend favors, and if so, how much is he worth?
orangello
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Yep.
UGLI baby
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No comment.
Beantown
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I don't know. Sure, low ball. Low balling isn't going to work unless Hayward and Favors aren't really sure if they can do it. If they know they've got the goods they aren't taking the easy money now.
So it's sort of a logical puzzle. They take the low ball offer it means they want the easy pay day and they're going to be phoning it in.
Let them show who they are and pay them a fair price. That's what I say. This isn't the time for bargain shopping with long term commitments.
So it's sort of a logical puzzle. They take the low ball offer it means they want the easy pay day and they're going to be phoning it in.
Let them show who they are and pay them a fair price. That's what I say. This isn't the time for bargain shopping with long term commitments.