Republicans and Fascism

[fishonjazz]

Wait, Santa isn't real? What in the holy ****!?!? Why was I not informed?!?!?!




Edit: and to be fair the vast majority of historical scholars accept that Jesus was really a historical figure. The debate is around the depiction in the Gospels, not in his existence.

Oh i believe he existed. As in past tense. He no longer exists though. Religion certainly does. In fact many religions exist that dont focus on jesus and focus on things like many armed elephants or something.

The point being that things can exist even when the central figure of the thing doesnt. That is if Al’s claim that Q isnt a real person is even true in the first place.
Either way, Qanon does in fact exist. Saying it doesnt is like saying christianity or Christmas doesnt exist.


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[Red]

LOL. You Q-Crazies think Q is behind everything. Now you think Q is "related" to five family members appearing in a campaign advertisement to endorse their brother's opponent? There is no Q. He or they aren't real. He or they were made up for an 8-chan marketing campaign. Now that 8-chan is defunct, maybe you should switch to a different fictional character from a still active enterprise. Maybe the five family members were convinced to film the advertisement by Flo from Progressive or Chester Cheetah. That blob thing from the Mucinex commercials looks pretty sketchy, maybe it is behind everything!

It’s always interesting, at any time, to better understand movements such as QAnon. They have real world effects, and since such trends are often the domain of seriously disaffected people, when you see a manifestation of the same conspiracy set elsewhere, it better illustrates that this is not solely an American phenomenon, and one may be witnessing a broader movement, on the world stage, apart from its birth in the discord that is the United States. Irrational movements are fascinating in their own right. But I’m interested in better understanding the times in which we live, and the emerging strength of right wing movements overall, on the world scene, and seeing a QAnon laced component serves as a clue of sorts to better understanding these times. Hence I find this irrational conspiracy underpinning illustrative of something affecting the historical stream in this moment. And that’s very interesting. Now shoo, go troll someone else. You’re not to be taken seriously.

 

[Red]

I didn't mean to trample on your or Red's religion.

Please refer to the previous post, fool.

 

[The Thriller]

It’s always interesting, at any time, to better understand movements such as QAnon. They have real world effects, and since such trends are often the domain of seriously disaffected people, when you see a manifestation of the same conspiracy set elsewhere, it better illustrates that this is not solely an American phenomenon, and one may be witnessing a broader movement, on the world stage, apart from its birth in the discord that is the United States. Irrational movements are fascinating in their own right. But I’m interested in better understanding the times in which we live, and the emerging strength of right wing movements overall, on the world scene, and seeing a QAnon laced component serves as a clue of sorts to better understanding these times. Hence I find this irrational conspiracy underpinning illustrative of something affecting the historical stream in this moment. And that’s very interesting. Now shoo, go troll someone else. You’re not to be taken seriously.

“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”
- Voltaire

One of the goals of RW propaganda as Roger Ailes explained it after Nixon stepped down, was to help groom a large segment of the population into rejecting mainstream media, culture, and values to insulate RW politicians from accountability. This has proven to be successful. Today, the RW has created such a ridiculous fantasy for its addicts, that a large segment of the population believes in anti vax garbage, Qanon, and The Big Lie. This helps them to now commit atrocities, like refusing to get vaccinated (while engaging in harmful behaviors like consuming horse dewormer) or Jan 6, while eroding trust in our elections and democratic institutions.

If you can’t believe or trust in the mainstream, you can only believe in daddy strongman who feeds me the hate, paranoia, and racism that RWers crave! For folks who vote for Lake, Trump, Walker, etc, I don’t think there’s a way out of this hole. Sane, well informed, and virtuous people must outvote and out organize the dark forces of illiberalism that have bought into the RW fantasy bubble.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

It’s always interesting, at any time, to better understand movements such as QAnon. They have real world effects, and since such trends are often the domain of seriously disaffected people, when you see a manifestation of the same conspiracy set elsewhere...

Where some would see the work of the Lord Jesus Christ or Allah, you see QAnon. There are things you don't know and so you fill in the gaps with your preferred gap filler. Personally I think it is more likely those five siblings didn't like the politics of their brother and the political campaign of their brother's rival viewed that as an opportunity to produce what is likely a highly effective campaign advertisement. I understand you see divine intervention, blessed be QAnon's name, to bestow this magical work.

I'm not one to argue faith with a true believer but maybe if you removed some of the mirrors in your house you'd see less of those, as you call them, "seriously disaffected people".

 

[The Thriller]

The right wing has created such an alt reality bubble that they’re completely disconnected from mainstream facts, values, and insights. Their people are being groomed by RW propagandists to commit awful actions. We’re already seeing this with Jan 6, school board rantings about CRT and kitty litter, and now this:


View: https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1601396243561074692?s=46&t=JcezxKBZAgdSBRjnHzBleQ

 

[The Thriller]

Example… 26,495,810 of Republicans embracing fascism. Doesn’t seem like Glenn Ellmers is happy after these midterms:


View: https://twitter.com/urbanachievr/status/1601240384054886400?s=46&t=muVpZAdHkaCowbIIcf-erQ


View: https://twitter.com/urbanachievr/status/1601346930000691200?s=46&t=muVpZAdHkaCowbIIcf-erQ





Last year this very same author wrote this, it’s essentially a story of the “Author’s Struggle”:

"Conservatism" is no Longer Enough

All hands on deck as we enter the counter-revolutionary moment.

americanmind.org

 

[fishonjazz]

Example… 26,495,810 of Republicans embracing fascism. Doesn’t seem like Glenn Ellmers is happy after these midterms:


View: https://twitter.com/urbanachievr/status/1601240384054886400?s=46&t=muVpZAdHkaCowbIIcf-erQ


View: https://twitter.com/urbanachievr/status/1601346930000691200?s=46&t=muVpZAdHkaCowbIIcf-erQ



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Last year this very same author wrote this, it’s essentially a story of the “Author’s Struggle”:

"Conservatism" is no Longer Enough

All hands on deck as we enter the counter-revolutionary moment.

americanmind.org

We don’t want to have a platform where we promise to use government power to help people and thus people refusing to vote for us means democracy is a failure.

David Frum, former speechwriter for President George W. Bush, wrote in 2018, “If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”

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[Red]

I understand you see divine intervention, blessed be QAnon's name, to bestow this magical work.

Wow. And I mean WOW.

I don’t know what’s wrong with you, but my earlier reply was to let you know that I enjoy learning. It’s my personal spice of life. I want to understand better the streams feeding into our present historical moment. Here, in my own nation, and in the world at large. It’s all about education to me. It’s a tad idealistic, I know, but that’s me. That’s what makes me tick. Learning. I think there is something wrong with you, if you can derive those words I quoted, and everything else you “communicated” in the full reply, from what I was trying to convey to you. Absolutely nothing you have said in your reply bears any relation to what I hoped to convey. And clearly convey, which I believe I achieved. Read my lips: I ENJOY LEARNING. And I am interested in some of the irrational beliefs feeding into our present moment. That’s it. That is one of my interests at this moment in time. Among many things. It’s clear you just don’t get it. You continue to troll, and you are wasting my time.

 

[Red]

Where some would see the work of the Lord Jesus Christ or Allah, you see QAnon. There are things you don't know and so you fill in the gaps with your preferred gap filler.

Nope. Just trying to learn, as always….

How has QAnon influenced Europe?

Germany's police's large raid on far-right extremists this week revealed the influence a conspiracy theory movement such as QAnon has already had across Europe.

www.wbur.org

Conspiracy epidemic, born in US, spreads in Europe - France 24

Conspiracy epidemic, born in US, spreads in Europe

www.france24.com

How QAnon's conspiracy theories are spilling over into Europe

In collaboration with Lighthouse Reports, Bellingcat and three European media outlets, 'Le Monde' investigated how conspiracy theories cross the Atlantic.

www.lemonde.fr

The Germany coup plot: How QAnon is dangerously evolving in Europe

THE NEWS German special forces arrested 25 suspected members and supporters of a domestic terrorism organization Wednesday, accusing them of plotting to overthrow the country’s government and install Prince Heinrich XIII of Reuss, a descendant of the German royal family, as head of state. The...

www.grid.news

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bntGdNFAAAw


So there you have it. A few articles and a video. It’s a start. It was already well known that the QAnon conspiracy had spread to Europe. So, I am interested in both the roots, and the wide appeal, and the future, of this particular upwelling of irrationality in the Western psyche. That’s why I posted the articles that so upset you. Seems to me understanding the causes always helps in developing potential solutions. Seems to me it’s you filling in the gaps of what you believe concerning me.

 

[The Thriller]

One of the reasons why lazy, low character, and/or mindlessly partisan posters like Al say these things is because it’s easier to believe that they’re engaged in a war not between ideas and policies but between good and evil. It enables crappy politicians, like Trump, complete freedom to do whatever they want. They don’t have to be bound by party platforms, principles, or ideas. He doesn’t have to actually offer his supporters anything or work to improve their lives. He just needs to spout off about nonsense like Qanon and his drooling zombie like followers will mindlessly applaud and follow.

It gives people like Al and his friends at Jan 6 complete license to commit whatever crimes they want. They don’t have to believe in election outcomes, because they are in a jihad. Laws no longer bind them because they’re in a struggle between good and evil! When politics supplant your religion, bad things always happen. The similarities between what Qanon followers believe and what Al Qaeda and the Taliban believe are similar. There’s nuances obviously between these terrorist groups, but they all believe that they are entitled to commit whatever atrocities they want because they’re fighting the forces of evil.

Dangerous stuff.

 

[The Thriller]

Wow. And I mean WOW.

I don’t know what’s wrong with you, but my earlier reply was to let you know that I enjoy learning. It’s my personal spice of life. I want to understand better the streams feeding into our present historical moment. Here, in my own nation, and in the world at large. It’s all about education to me. It’s a tad idealistic, I know, but that’s me. That’s what makes me tick. Learning. I think there is something wrong with you, if you can derive those words I quoted, and everything else you “communicated” in the full reply, from what I was trying to convey to you. Absolutely nothing you have said in your reply bears any relation to what I hoped to convey. And clearly convey, which I believe I achieved. Read my lips: I ENJOY LEARNING. And I am interested in some of the irrational beliefs feeding into our present moment. That’s it. That is one of my interests at this moment in time. Among many things. It’s clear you just don’t get it. You continue to troll, and you are wasting my time.

I called it months and months ago that he was a troll.

 

[fishonjazz]

Nope. Just trying to learn, as always….

How has QAnon influenced Europe?

Germany's police's large raid on far-right extremists this week revealed the influence a conspiracy theory movement such as QAnon has already had across Europe.

www.wbur.org

Conspiracy epidemic, born in US, spreads in Europe - France 24

Conspiracy epidemic, born in US, spreads in Europe

www.france24.com

How QAnon's conspiracy theories are spilling over into Europe

In collaboration with Lighthouse Reports, Bellingcat and three European media outlets, 'Le Monde' investigated how conspiracy theories cross the Atlantic.

www.lemonde.fr

The Germany coup plot: How QAnon is dangerously evolving in Europe

THE NEWS German special forces arrested 25 suspected members and supporters of a domestic terrorism organization Wednesday, accusing them of plotting to overthrow the country’s government and install Prince Heinrich XIII of Reuss, a descendant of the German royal family, as head of state. The...

www.grid.news

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bntGdNFAAAw


So there you have it. A few articles and a video. It’s a start. It was already well known that the QAnon conspiracy had spread to Europe. So, I am interested in both the roots, and the wide appeal, and the future, of this particular upwelling of irrationality in the Western psyche. That’s why I posted the articles that so upset you. Seems to me understanding the causes always helps in developing potential solutions. Seems to me it’s you filling in the gaps of what you believe concerning me.

Dont provide those links to him. His head is in the sand where he likes it. He cant see.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Dont provide those links to him. His head is in the sand where he likes it. He cant see.

He can provide the links but they aren't of any interest. I, like most people, simply don't care about QAnon. I simply find humor in how QAnon seems to be the reason for everything in Red's world. I know he calls it curiosity and learning but if the answer is always QAnon for everything, then I don't believe what is going on there is curiosity and learning.

 

[Gameface]

He can provide the links but they aren't of any interest. I, like most people, simply don't care about QAnon. I simply find humor in how QAnon seems to be the reason for everything in Red's world. I know he calls it curiosity and learning but if the answer is always QAnon for everything, then I don't believe what is going on there is curiosity and learning.

Red doesn't seem singularly focused on QAnon to me. In fact, he seems to be well informed and knowledgeable on a wide array of subjects. What has given you the impression that he is obsessed and narrowly focused on QAnon?

Have you tried talking to him about meteorites? I think he's dedicated a lot more attention to that then he has QAnon by many many times.

 

[Gameface]

From open AI chatbotGPT

"
is fascism or socialism more likely to lead to mass death


It is difficult to say which political ideology is more likely to lead to mass death, as both fascism and socialism have been responsible for atrocities and human rights abuses throughout history. Fascism, with its emphasis on nationalistic and authoritarian ideologies, has been associated with regimes that have committed genocide and other mass atrocities. Socialism, on the other hand, has been associated with dictatorships and authoritarian governments that have also committed human rights abuses. Ultimately, the likelihood of mass death is not inherent in either ideology, but rather depends on how the ideology is implemented and the specific actions of those in power."

 

[Red]

I simply find humor in how QAnon seems to be the reason for everything in Red's world. I know he calls it curiosity and learning but if the answer is always QAnon for everything, then I don't believe what is going on there is curiosity and learning.

Lol. Find anyone else on this forum that would agree with this….

Red doesn't seem singularly focused on QAnon to me.

At this point I think he says that just to see if he can get a rise out of me, and not because he actually believes that. Probably time I treated him as a troll, and not simply call him one. He believes it’s easier to trigger me than anyone else, and he’s not wrong, he has done that at times….

I think one of the main attributes of AI-O-Meter is that he is very incurious. And being incurious is a very Trumpian attribute, is it not? It certainly fits…

 

[Red]

I don't believe what is going on there is curiosity and learning.

Being as anti-intellectual, anti-learning, as you clearly have demonstrated you are, repeatedly on this forum, the reason behind your misguided belief is likely at least partly because curiosity about the world and learning are unfamiliar to you. That, and the juvenile desire to get a rise out of me of course. Anybody with any interest at all in the social sciences would find the rise of QAnon to be something worthwhile of study. But here’s the thing: you know that, and you don’t disagree with that statement at all. But you could never admit that.

I guess it’s also conceivable that the fact that I was correct in emphasizing that “concern for democracy” would be a key motivating factor in the midterms, and how often you attacked and mocked that opinion, and your insistence that it would never trump economic concerns, thereby rendering your opinion incorrect, might cause you to lash out at the simple and undeniably accurate suggestion that looking at the causes and spread of QAnon might tell us something about the Western mind at this time. I mean, you did vanish for a spell following the Red Ripple. A little cowardly, I chuckled at the time, but you were so wrong, I can understand the embarrassment you must have felt at the results. That’s only a human response, and I might have done the same, had there been the Red Wave you were so eagerly anticipating.

So, sorry, but you do believe, and know full well, that curiosity and learning were my motivations. The jig’s up for you. You don’t believe a single word you said. You’re bitter, and you’re losing.

 

[The Thriller]

Some people are just ****** people. He’s the type of idiot I remember seeing sitting in the back of the classroom making farting noises with his armpits. But once students graduate from middle school they find annoying. Yet, instead of changing, he becomes bitter and starts attacking those who used to take him seriously. Likewise, People are figuring him out/losing interest in wasting time with him and now he’s lashing out at the handful of those on this forum who used to actually engage with him. Those who treated him fairly despite his bad faith arguments are those he’s crapping on the most. Pathetic.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Have you tried talking to him about meteorites? I think he's dedicated a lot more attention to that then he has QAnon by many many times.

Red has not dedicated many more times his attention to meteorites than QAnon. If you don't believe me then do the search for yourself on user Red and search term 'meteorites' vs 'QAnon'.

However I will admit that Red is not the Church Lady for QAnon here on JazzFanz.

That title belongs firmly to The Thriller. Most of your mentions of QAnon were actually directed at The Thriller in telling him he was going overboard. Red and The Thriller combined account for nearly half of all mentions of QAnon on JazzFanz. Here is the data: