Revisiting the Trey Burke trade

[mellow]

Call it retooling if you want. I guess in my mind it is rebuilding when a team loses it's starting center to injury, the starting sg and pf leaves in free agency and then the franchise player pg is traded for a rookie and draft picks along with losing the long tenured coach all within a few months.

 

[Nightmare]

Eh if it was only retooling you trade your star and best player for draft picks and Devin Harris?

 

[Stifle Tower]

Eh if it was only retooling you trade your star and best player for draft picks and Devin Harris?

So did OKC rebuild when they got rid of Harden?
I think rebuilding is when you stop trying to make the playoffs, don't sign quality FA's and go for draft picks. There is no question Utah envisioned Mo Williams being their starting PG for many years and they bolstered the squad with the addition of Foye, etc. That is simply not rebuilding. Yes, they DID trade Deron. But that was guessing he would not re-sign. Even playoff teams have turnover and some lose or trade significant players.

Outside of that trade, Utah did zero else to indicate a true rebuild. When your starters are Millsap, Jefferson, Foye, Mo and Hayward, that is not a rebuild. All of those players were VETERANS, with the exception of Hayward.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Orlando did an amazing tank & rebuild too, faster and better than Jazz or Philly.

Jazz are depressing. 4 years into a rebuild and they look like they could easily be another 4 because of bad choices.

Orlando isn't good lol, they have one quality win against Phoenix and the rest against the bottom feeders of the leastern conference.
I don't like any of their players honestly, not even Vuc.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Burke gets too much hate, his assists/to ratio is pretty good considering his age and how bad Jazz are shooting.

However, does anyone else feel like phi future despite being 0-16 appears better than the Jazz who have been rebuilding longer? For example Dario Saric just won Euroleague player of the month at 20 years age, being youngest player ever to do so.

https://www.nba.com/sixers/news/141201-transatlantic-tracker

Depends on the health of Embiid.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Orlando isn't good lol, they have one quality win against Phoenix and the rest against the bottom feeders of the leastern conference.
I don't like any of their players honestly, not even Vuc.

I really like Oladipo, Fournier, and Payton. Harris is nice too.

They did something I wish we would of done. They flipped some vets who weren't long term pieces for assets. They got Fournier for Afflalo. Fournier is having a pretty good year thus far. Great shooter.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think Trey's best ceiling comparison might be Sebastian Telfair.

Darren Collison, who is having a pretty good year in Sactown.

 

[freakazoid]

4 years???? This is year two my friend.

I'd say this is year 2 of going full rebuild, but anytime you trade your star player for a bunch of rebuilding pieces, you are pretty much rebuilding regardless of what you call it. Combine that with losing your coach of 20 years and we are talking about a drastically different team.

 

[stitches]

I really like Oladipo, Fournier, and Payton. Harris is nice too.

They did something I wish we would of done. They flipped some vets who weren't long term pieces for assets. They got Fournier for Afflalo. Fournier is having a pretty good year thus far. Great shooter.

Yah, I've liked Orlando, too. Vucevic is a great young big man, too... I don't like their coach very much and the in-game decisions he makes...

 

[mellow]

Orlando isn't good lol, they have one quality win against Phoenix and the rest against the bottom feeders of the leastern conference.
I don't like any of their players honestly, not even Vuc.

So I admit you are sort of right. My brief sentence allowed for room to assign meaning. I should have been more precise in declaring rebuild. Certainly Orlando is not finished rebuilding, although I'm not certain when a rebuild ends...playoffs maybe, so there is room for argument and time for the conditions to change.

But I will disagree with you on their players, they have many nice players and I think they are way ahead of the jazz.

You may not like Vucivic, but jazz couldn't get him straight up for Kanter or Favors. Orlando would hang up laughing. Favors or Hayward might get you Harris if Orlando thought they could make up the scoring somewhere else and Aaron Gordon could do what Harris does. Alec Burks for Fournier, or Oladipo isn't happening. And I doubt Orlando would trade Payton for Trey. Orlando has done better with the draft picks and trades they have made and have a better core of young talent.

When do they play the Jazz? We will see who's tank is stronger.

 

[Crawlnstall]

I was beyond stoked when we got Burke. And that's why I'm so frustrated with his play, because he should be better

 

[Diamond77]

Orlando did an amazing tank & rebuild too, faster and better than Jazz or Philly.

Jazz are depressing. 4 years into a rebuild and they look like they could easily be another 4 because of bad choices.

I like the way the Milwaukee Bucks rebuilt.

 

[Jazz Insider]

You have to make decisions in the present, not in the future.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I like the way the Milwaukee Bucks rebuilt.

We got Trey, they got Giannis: Milwaukee with the clear win.
They got Jabari, Utah got Exum: advantage Milwaukee (for now).
Jazz chose Kanter instead of Knight, who Milwaukee traded for. Advantage?

 

[framer]

We got Trey, they got Giannis: Milwaukee with the clear win.
They got Jabari, Utah got Exum: advantage Milwaukee (for now).
Jazz chose Kanter instead of Knight, who Milwaukee traded for. Advantage?

But we have Hayward, who is better than every player on that team AND we have Favors who is >>>>>> than Sanders at the same price.

Also, Giannis = 11, 6, and 2 While Trey = 10, 6, and 2 with the assists and rebounds flipped. . . I like Giannis, but he certainly isn't godlike talent. If Exum isn't pulling better than 11, 6, and 2 by this point next season I will be disappointed.

 

[Primetime]

Darren Collison, who is having a pretty good year in Sactown.

Don't know about that. Collison might be small as is Trey but he is really quick and actually tries to play defense and actually does quiet well the times I have seen him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Don't know about that. Collison might be small as is Trey but he is really quick and actually tries to play defense and actually does quiet well the times I have seen him.

Collison has had a reputation of being a terrible, terrible defender. Burke is also a bit bigger than Collison. For as much flack that Burke gets for being small, he has a very good wingspan for a PG of his size.

 

[Fabtrey]

trey last 10 games

12.6/6.7 43% 33.4 min

now that's a type of production i expected from trey's 2nd season. tad lower on points, but that's understandable because of hayward's took that next step.


i would be very happy with this number. anything lower isn't good enough.

 

[NAOS]

trey last 10 games

12.6/6.7 43% 33.4 min

now that's a type of production i expected from trey's 2nd season. tad lower on points, but that's understandable because of hayward's took that next step.


i would be very happy with this number. anything lower isn't good enough.

what'd you expect on the defensive side of the ball?

 

[Fabtrey]

what'd you expect on the defensive side of the ball?

it is what it is. we saw improvement in his D early in the season. but past few weeks, trey didn't appear to be 'all in' on D. i think his slow start on O made him weary. i saw trey being little lazy at times. also he needs to get stronger and don't get discouraged when he goes under or over the screen.

and in fairness to trey help D failed him alot. you can't stay in front of the defender all the time when you have to constantly go around the screen. any baller would tell you, it's tiring. trey isn't stiff, but he doesn't have a fluid hip like some of the lock down defenders. so he needs to get stronger and neutralize the pounding he is taking. try going around mozgav that's like going around a brick wall. but our bigs need to be smarter and be more instinctive and help on neutralizing pick and roll. they should know trey ain't the lock down defender, so help D is key. collectively our D is a pile of crap because we always react. when you react to moves, it's already too late. watch how spurs help on tony parker.

trey is definitely work in progress. trey isn't fast or athletic, but he can get stronger. and he needs to know exum is breathing down his neck if he doesn't pick up his defensive slack.