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I understand how disappointing it must be for Ricky. He found a place he liked, but it's been made clear Dennis and Quin want more production for the amount of money they're paying him. It's Rubio's fault. He's had 1 1/2 years to work on his shot. At one point last season, I thought I saw him putting more arc on his 3's. But they're flat again. I refuse to believe he couldn't have worked all summer on his game.

He's a likable guy. But it's not like he doesn't know basketball is a business. It's not high school. It's not a country club. How did he get to Utah? He was traded. Hood and Burks were likable players too. Both were traded. Favors has been the subject of rumors since Gobert assumed the starting role. Derrick just goes out and does his job. He even re-upped on a team friendly deal. If this is the last year for Ricky, I wish him well. How much demand will there be for him? I have no idea. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see him in Phoenix. They've played a lot of teams tough but need some veteran leadership.

Chemistry DOES matter. But it's not dependent on one guy. Jazz will be just fine...and even better if they replace Ricky with a guard who can score. Donovan and Jingles set up a lot of plays already. Jazz need another quality guard. And whether that guy is a PG who can score or a SG who can handle the ball really doesn't matter.
 
Strutter said:
You're kidding yourself if you don't think Ricky's received the largest share of criticism on this forum besides possibly Dante. Like where are these supposed frequent gripes about Royce and Neto? Seriously? I think he has a point in that Joe Ingles has had plenty of disappearing acts this season, but doesn't seem to draw nearly as much criticism as Ricky when he has a poor shooting night. Does Ricky deserve criticism this season? Absolutely. He's been far from a perfect player. But if you're a Ricky fan I can totally understand why you'd be frustrated with how much focus is put on Ricky from game to game.
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Ricky deserves the criticism he receives though... so what are you complaining about?
 
Strutter said:
You're kidding yourself if you don't think Ricky's received the largest share of criticism on this forum besides possibly Dante. Like where are these supposed frequent gripes about Royce and Neto? Seriously? I think he has a point in that Joe Ingles has had plenty of disappearing acts this season, but doesn't seem to draw nearly as much criticism as Ricky when he has a poor shooting night. Does Ricky deserve criticism this season? Absolutely. He's been far from a perfect player. But if you're a Ricky fan I can totally understand why you'd be frustrated with how much focus is put on Ricky from game to game.
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Yeah you're right about Ricky.

The top 4 players that have copped the biggest brunt in no particular order, in my opinion are:

Ricky, Dante, Derrick, Royce.

Derrick sometimes even cops it when he's playing well. And statistically he's been our second best player still yes?
 
I think there are some unique variables with Ricky here that aren’t as applicable to guys like Favors:

1. Ricky was drafted really high even though he wasn’t coming over immediately. Was very hyped. His play ended up being disappointing and he was with a really ****** franchise.
2. That franchise trades him for a first round pick because they want to dump his contract.
3. He interrupts his summer in Spain to go help his new franchise try to maintain the douche that left, then participated in the cleanup after that guy leaves.
4. Ends up being on a team where his coach has irrational confidence in him, and wants him shooting every open shot.
5. Despite not really playing to his strengths, he fits in as a strong presence amongst a group of guys with great comradery, gets targeted physically in multiple games last year and his whole team comes to his defense.
6. Goes on to talk about how his next contract isn’t about money but being in the right situation where he can be happy.
7. Ends up floated in a trade where his current team is wanting to upgrade him, but does not want to include his backup in the trade. The Jazz are willing to give Memphis as long as it takes to make a decision, and show that there’s no move they care more about than swapping Ricky for this other guy.
8. The other team is not trading for him, nor is he wanted. He’s on an expiring contract which is the only thing of value he brings to the trade. It’s a trade where it’s clear to him that he’s not wanted by either party. It’s like being the kid in a custody battle where your dad doesn’t want you, but doesn’t want to have to pay child support, and your mom doesn’t want you, either, but sees some value in receiving child support, so you become an impersonal pawn in the negotiation.

So, yeah, I think Ricky’s going to take this a little personally.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Yet another consequence of white-knuckle hanging onto Dante Exum.
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Should have traded TF out of Exum in a Conley deal and bring Ricky off the bench. I’m not even certain how tight Exum is with anyone.
 
mellow said:
I feel it needs to be mentioned...Memphis Grizzlies Front Office sucks.

Leaking trade details in an attempt to get leverage. Cost them nothing, costing the Jazz plenty. Same group of fools that traded wrong player earlier this season.
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This, it sucks that the information was leaked, probably not on our end. And if Rubio likes it here and wants to stay I don’t think calling out the FO publicly was the smartest thing to do, but I totally understand where his frustration comes from.

It’s become an awkward situation for both parties and I wonder how it will be handled from here on.

Also I don’t remember such criticism against a starter for a good while.
When you read **** like “I’d rather have the Jazz lose by 50 than see Rubio play” and other gems you realize that it’s just irrational hate against him coming from some posters. It’s all good.
 
The reason The Conley deal didn't go through was cause Utah didn't give them Dante. Memphis didn't want Ricky. So that's how high utahs opinion of Dante is.
 
Jazzta said:
What I wonder is how much say did DL have in this, and how much did Quin.
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I don’t think Quin had much of any. Even last year there were rumblings of discord between coaching staff and the FO regarding our future. Quin has always played Ricky even when it’s not working. I think the fact that he continued to go with him even after that Atlanta game last year made Quin feel very validated when things turned, and Ricky felt he really had someone who believed in him. I’m not certain any of this is on Quin.
 
infection said:
I don’t think Quin had much of any. Even last year there were rumblings of discord between coaching staff and the FO regarding our future. Quin has always played Ricky even when it’s not working. I think the fact that he continued to go with him even after that Atlanta game last year made Quin feel very validated when things turned, and Ricky felt he really had someone who believed in him. I’m not certain any of this is on Quin.
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Good take, this is basically what I was thinking too.
 
Strutter said:
You're kidding yourself if you don't think Ricky's received the largest share of criticism on this forum besides possibly Dante. Like where are these supposed frequent gripes about Royce and Neto? Seriously? I think he has a point in that Joe Ingles has had plenty of disappearing acts this season, but doesn't seem to draw nearly as much criticism as Ricky when he has a poor shooting night. Does Ricky deserve criticism this season? Absolutely. He's been far from a perfect player. But if you're a Ricky fan I can totally understand why you'd be frustrated with how much focus is put on Ricky from game to game.
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Best post I’ve read in this thread.
 
Coach Q wanted Conley. He needs offense asap. His words like "Oh if anything DM should shoot more" imply he's unhappy about the roster. He starts Rubio because he has to and is a believer in continuity and tenacity, a la Stan Van Gundy. If Neto was healthy for a longish period and in rhythm he'd be Q's starter because he fits the system much better than other non shooting PGs and is much more consistent and dependable, as evidenced by him leading the team in netrtg in consecutive years.
 
infection said:
I don’t think Quin had much of any. Even last year there were rumblings of discord between coaching staff and the FO regarding our future. Quin has always played Ricky even when it’s not working. I think the fact that he continued to go with him even after that Atlanta game last year made Quin feel very validated when things turned, and Ricky felt he really had someone who believed in him. I’m not certain any of this is on Quin.
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Yeah I agree with this, I could totally see DL not bothering to even grab another starting PG in the offseason and just buying more shooting and a backup PG instead to force Quin into starting Exum so DL and crew can see what they've really got with him.
 
I also think that this relationship is broken and that when he leaves, it will be clear that not everything was Ricky's fault. Possible destinations: Phoenix, Chicago, Detroit and Minnesota Greetings to all and especially my Spanish compatriots
 
All the posts claiming Ricky deserves criticism are mind boggling. I mean, what exactly are you faulting him for? Not being Steph Curry. The Jazz traded for a player who shot .375 from the field and .315 from beyond the arc in Minneapolis, and then you're all shocked that he's that same player here. You mean the guy who couldn't shoot before can't shoot now? Nevermind that he's actually improved while here and is shooting better than ever. No, no. Let's criticise Ricky for being the player that he is and not being some other player, real or hypothetical. What kind of logic is that? You can criticise a player because he doesn't hustle, because he's a bad teammates, because his attitude is poor. But to criticise a player for his natural limitations, that's just ludicrous.

That's like getting angry at Boban Marjanovic because he's not some fleet-footed, lock-down defender.
 
JimLes said:
All the posts claiming Ricky deserves criticism are mind boggling. I mean, what exactly are you faulting him for? Not being Steph Curry. The Jazz traded for a player who shot .375 from the field and .315 from beyond the arc in Minneapolis, and then you're all shocked that he's that same player here. You mean the guy who couldn't shoot before can't shoot now? Nevermind that he's actually improved while here and is shooting better than ever. No, no. Let's criticise Ricky for being the player that he is and not being some other player, real or hypothetical. What kind of logic is that? You can criticise a player because he doesn't hustle, because he's a bad teammates, because his attitude is poor. But to criticise a player for his natural limitations, that's just ludicrous.

That's like getting angry at Boban Marjanovic because he's not some fleet-footed, lock-down defender.
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No one is faulting Rubio for not being Steph Curry. But he’s also not:
Chris Paul
Westbrook
Irving
Holiday
Lillard
Walker
Wall
Lowry
And a few days others...
 
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