RIP Robin Williams

[One Brow]

Not at all. I never said anything about the logic of the idea, because I know logic isn't in play.

I think depression is a horrible disease that nobody should have to go through. I think suicide is a selfish act. Those two thoughts can co-exist.

I agree you never said anything about the logic of the idea; my use of "context" does not refer to the logic of the idea.

Relieving your loved ones of a burden is not usually considered a selfish act.

 

[Chris-L]

Susan Schneider, Williams' wife asked people to remember what Williams gave to the world, rather than his mental illness.

"This morning, I lost my husband and my best friend, while the world lost one of its most beloved artists and beautiful human beings. I am utterly heartbroken. On behalf of Robin's family, we are asking for privacy during our time of profound grief. As he is remembered, it is our hope the focus will not be on Robin's death, but on the countless moments of joy and laughter he gave to millions."


Toys, Hook, Goodwill Hunting, Mrs. Doubtfire and many more were some of my all time favorite movies growing up. Gonna miss him...

 

[addictionary]

This is a big part of the problem when it comes to dealing with mental illness as a society. At some basic level, perhaps a subconscious one, many people refused to accept that mental illness is real and not something you can just snap out of because you want to. That's how you get morons like Hantlers, whose suggestion for a mentally ill, irrational person is to stop and rationally think about what they're doing. In other words, his solution to mental illness is that you should decide to stop being mentally ill. You can't help but feel that anyone who thinks this way deep down does not believe that there are such things as depression. That you can just decide to not be sad and that's it.

It's possible actually. But it requires not having soul. I tried that for a long time but now I'm just not sure pushing sadness and anger away is the right thing to do.

 

[Harambe]

****ing hell this place is full of a bunch of estrogen pumped bitchasses. negs to anyone trolling YB and pos to those who have any semblance of humanity. You ****s are crying pity to those who chose the easy way out instead of rooting for them to find happiness? Give me a ****ing break.

This, on the other hand, is completely acceptable.

 

[addictionary]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GorgFtCqPEs

 

[addictionary]

If (as I heard, and I cannot confirm it) he suffered from lifelong depression, then I want you to imagine fighting against the impulse to do yourself in EVERY DAY. Do that for 50 years (let's assume it started in adolescence, which is a reasonable assumption) and tell me how cowardly it is to finally give in.

Damn! I am living the fear of having the same problem inside my head right now. I thought I fixed myself, but maybe I never had. Maybe I will end up like him who knows? I am 32 years behind him.

 

[Harambe]

Susan Schneider, Williams' wife asked people to remember what Williams gave to the world, rather than his mental illness.

"This morning, I lost my husband and my best friend, while the world lost one of its most beloved artists and beautiful human beings. I am utterly heartbroken. On behalf of Robin's family, we are asking for privacy during our time of profound grief. As he is remembered, it is our hope the focus will not be on Robin's death, but on the countless moments of joy and laughter he gave to millions."


Toys, Hook, Goodwill Hunting, Mrs. Doubtfire and many more were some of my all time favorite movies growing up. Gonna miss him...

Lets not forget voice acting... he was the Genie from Aladdin, and the bat from Ferngully

 

[fishonjazz]

Damn! I am living the fear of having the same problem inside my head right now. I thought I fixed myself, but maybe I never had. Maybe I will end up like him who knows? I am 32 years behind him.

Your fellow jazzfanzers love you man

 

[JimLes]

Yup. That's exactly what I said.

I'm amazed they allow you to teach with the reading comprehension that you show.

Nope, you said suicide was selfish. And no, the two can't coexist. Perhaps in your limited mind.

 

[Harambe]

This kinda sums it up for me.

 

[addictionary]

He was just saying what we were all thinking.

"Words of wisdom Log. Words..of..wisdom."

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

It was his life to do with as he saw fit.

I don't disagree but with a wife and loved ones, I simply find it selfish. And this does not mean I don't feel sorry for the guy or terrible for his family. As others have pointed out, mental illness is a disease. I've had some God awful days where I feel at my wit's end, and question how to go on. To endure that every day for years must feel like an insidious cancer, corroding your every thought and soul.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Mental Health claims another.

Famous/obsure, rich/poor, beautiful/ugly, young/old...as someone who has battled depression and seen others struggle with it, I can tell you it affects people across all demographics. I do think substance abuse played a part, but not in the way some would think. Having lapsed back into alcohol abuse, Mr. Williams likely felt a tremendous amount of guilt, failure and worthlessness over reverting back to something he had battled against for decades.

When tragedies like this occur, we are reminded that wealth, fame and popularity are never the "end all" for happiness and fulfillment. That has to come from other sources, something deeper.

 

[Harambe]

Famous/obsure, rich/poor, beautiful/ugly, young/old...as someone who has battled depression and seen others struggle with it, I can tell you it affects people across all demographics. I do think substance abuse played a part, but not in the way some would think. Having lapsed back into alcohol abuse, Mr. Williams likely felt a tremendous amount of guilt, failure and worthlessness over reverting back to something he had battled against for decades.

When tragedies like this occur, we are reminded that wealth, fame and popularity are never the "end all" for happiness and fulfillment. That has to come from other sources, something deeper.

I can't like your post, or rep you out of sheer disgust... but yes. You are correct.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

I don't disagree but with a wife and loved ones, I simply find it selfish. And this does not mean I don't feel sorry for the guy or terrible for his family.

I think there is an important distinction to be made here.

Game face said

It was his life to do with as he saw fit.

You responded with

with a wife and loved ones, I simply find it selfish.

I doubt you would find many people who disagree with you the person taking his life does it with motivation similar to what Gameface posted above. However, many who commit suicide honestly feel they are taking a burden from their loved ones, that their loved ones would be much better off without them. These are people who simply aren't thinking straight. If a person does it motivated by the thought that they are making the lives of those around them better, how can that possibly be a selfish act - at least in their mind? You and I might see it as selfish because we are not dealing with the same demons they are and we can think more rationally, but if you see things from their perspective, it simply wasn't selfish as they see it.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

I doubt you would find many people who disagree with you the person taking his life does it with motivation similar to what Gameface posted above. However, many who commit suicide honestly feel they are taking a burden from their loved ones, that their loved ones would be much better off without them. These are people who simply aren't thinking straight. If a person does it motivated by the thought that they are making the lives of those around them better, how can that possibly be a selfish act. You and I might see it as selfish because we are not dealing with the same demons they are and we can think more rationally, but if you see things from their perspective, it simply wasn't selfish as they see it.

I don't disagree.

 

[addictionary]

This death makes me think I knew he was deeply troubled in the details of his face all along, and at the same time I think how can this happen, especially to a person like him? I wasn't the biggest fan of him as a comedian, but I loved his enthusiasm, loved him as a person -which I cannot know truly of course but what he reflected himself on the screen.

When I was a kid, I saw a scene from the Fisher King in which he bowed down and looked ****ed up, but his face was smiling, his mouth's ends were on his ears actually. This image defined the concept "happiness" for me since then. Being able to feel the happiness out of any situation, even the most terrific ones. Peace and quiet does not always mean and are not necessarily required for happiness. Stuff like that. When I prayed at nights, as I prayed for happiness, the image of Robin Williams on his knees smiling came in front of my eyes. And that was how it has been since I was a kid.

 

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Depression is not real. It is side effect of artificial preservatives and eating packaged food. You can tell this by looking at wars. Back in the day they did not feed soldiers MREs and boxed junk. In Korean War there is no PTSD or depression and they did stuff so much more nasty than in Iraq drones war.

Eating healthy with exercise will help you become mentally strong.

 

[addictionary]

You are a relief after the absence of Heaven Harris.

 

[LogGrad98]

Damn! I am living the fear of having the same problem inside my head right now. I thought I fixed myself, but maybe I never had. Maybe I will end up like him who knows? I am 32 years behind him.

If you are serious go talk to someone right now, someone you trust. Tell them to just shut up and listen and lay it out there. Often it helps to just have a sounding board. Find a way to get it out to someone or it can get worse.