Rittenhouse

[LogGrad98]

The intention was to stop lawlessness. The police had been ordered by government officials to not enforce laws in a certain area. They had a massive presence just outside the area, which was where Rittenhouse was running to after shooting Rosenbaum, but there was no law enforcement being done by any government entities in one area which prompted people of the area to do something. Kyle was part of that effort.

It likely would have worked to stop the lawlessness without anyone getting hurt. Where things went off the rails was when a dumpster down the block got lit on fire and pushed toward the pumps at a gas station. Rittenhouse grabbed a fire extinguisher and ran down the block to put it out before it ignited the gas station. Kyle was inexperienced and didn’t realize the danger he had just put himself in by leaving the large armed group of citizens.

Rittenhouse isn’t a very big guy and obviously looks young. In seeing this kid running down the block by himself, Rosenbaum quickly hid behind a truck to ambush him. This was all captured on FBI drone surveillance. Rittenhouse ran by the truck. Rosenbaum rushed out of his hiding spot. Rittenhouse yelled “friendly, friendly, friendly!” but Rosenbaum didn’t stop. Kyle retreated until Rosenbaum cornered him. Rosenbaum grabbed the barrel of the gun to rip it away from Rittenhouse and Rittenhouse fired 4 times.

Rittenhouse didn’t go to Kenosha to be a vigilante. Rittenhouse didn’t even go to Kenosha to protect Kenosha. Kyle Rittenhouse went to Kenosha to visit his friend who lived on a big piece of property and had some targets set up for plinking. The friend kept an AR15 for Kyle in the gun safe so he could plink targets. Kyle Rittenhouse isn’t an angry white man. He was a High School kid who had no idea that going to his friend’s house would end up with 2 people dead and the President of the United States calling him a White Supremacist.

If you want to know why the citizens of the area felt the need to be the police, perhaps you should ask the police or politicians who ordered the police to stand down.


Just stop with the racist stereotypes.

So you are saying that 1) we need citizens to assume the mantle of the police at their whim to maintain law and order, and 2) that angry white men are not responsible for most mass shootings in this country. Interesting take. Seems you want the wild west. I am glad we live in a society where you would not be making the rules.

So yes he was ambushed. Ok. If he hadn't been there at all, or hadn't had a gun, would anyone have felt they had a reason to ambush him? You are acting as if his choice to be a vigilante is fully reasonable and justified, and that he was the only one capable of being a vigilante.

Here is another way to look at it. Rosenbaum went there to stop shooters from attacking the protesters, with a plan to take out any bad guys by any means necessary, you know, as a vigilante. So he sees a kid brandishing a gun, an obvious gun, waving it around out in the open, like those used in mass shootings. He devises a plan to stop this dangerous shooter, since someone needs to maintain law and order, as you said. So he determines the best way to do this while being as safe for himself as possible, and he "ambushes" him, intent on stopping the guy with the gun, and not believing him while he yelled at him that he was a friendly, I mean that is what the bad guy would say, right? So he tries to stop him and the bad guy, the active shooter, shoots him. Who is the vigilante here?

You act like since Rittenhouse went there with a gun he was automatically authorized by the police to meet out both sentence and execution on any situation he deems to be dangerous that needs to be taken care of. This is so ridiculous it is mindboggling anyone could put that forward as a reasonable response. We do not live in the wild west. We do not live in a third world country where it is bouncing between tin-pot dictators. We live in an actual country with rule of law and law enforcement personnel and everything. We have no need of vigilantes.

It is hard to believe we have to state this stuff to adult human beings. Scares the **** out of me for where we are heading as a country. Which president will be the one fiddling while Washington burns?



Edit: the plinking argument is one of the worst excuses I have ever heard. So he innocently took a gun to the protest, not to hunt anyone down but because he got lost on the huge tract of land and had to find some cans to plink somewhere? Wow, the leaps in logic are astounding.

 

[Dkeaton024]

He's certainly comfortable around white supremacists. That doesn't make him guilty, of course, but he's not an innocent.

I’m not saying Rittenhouse is a smart, or good kid. He’s not a white supremacist and to assert he is, is asinine ******** and it was done by a lot of the left. Again, he’s also not a hero like Fox News or right wing morons are propping him up as either.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

So you are saying that 1) we need citizens to assume the mantle of the police at their whim to maintain law and order

I’m saying that people like law and order. It is the whole reason police exist. If the police refuse to fill the role of providing law and order then people will feel compelled to stand up to fill the void. This isn't just an American thing but basic human nature.

and 2) that angry white men are not responsible for most mass shootings in this country. Interesting take. Seems you want the wild west. I am glad we live in a society where you would not be making the rules.

It depends on how you define the terms and present the statistics. I am saddened that we live in a society dominated by people who divide people by the color of their skin or where their great, great, 10x great grandparents called home to make some supposed point about how superior or inferior an ethnicity is.

I am curious as to the thought process of racists using these events to support their ideology with how Rittenhouse being multi-racial works in. Is it done by melanin levels? Does it count as a partial ‘angry white men’ point because he's part white? In your refusal to see people as individuals but instead as members of race groups, what is your personal process for applying ethnic bigotry to those in more than one ethnic group?

You are acting as if his choice to be a vigilante is fully reasonable and justified ... You act like since Rittenhouse went there with a gun he was automatically authorized by the police to meet out both sentence and execution on any situation he deems to be dangerous that needs to be taken care of.

I act like, and the courts acted like, and the vast majority of legal analysts acted like people have a right in the United States to defend themselves that supersedes the government monopoly on violence. Nearly all of those who think otherwise have demonstrated they haven’t taken the time to review the evidence and/or relevant law as can be displayed by searching their history for false claims Rittenhouse crossed state lines with an AR-15. Anyone who ever made that claim can have their opinion on this matter written off as coming from some who doesn’t bother with evaluating anything beyond politics.

 

[MT Steve]

And this right here shows just how stupid people like yourself are and how unwilling to listen to reason you are. And you’re right, we are done here, because with that last rant I don’t care in any way shape or form what you have to say. Losing in November of 2022 should be fun, and there’s no one to blame but morons like you.

What?

Nothing he said in the post your replying to is unreasonable.

Seriously shut the **** up with this nonsense. NO ONE REASONABLE BUYS YOUR ********. No one made the assertion that guns made things less dangerous, least of all me. The protest was not peaceful and go **** yourself if you think you’re going to use that nonsense talking point. It and other protests were NOT peaceful long before Rittenhouse showed up. And yes, other people died across the country due to that violence.

Now go with the “it’s just property” BS. Go ahead use the talking point. Everyone saw what happened. Leftists are so much more like right wing crazies than they’d ever have the dignity to look in the mirror and see.

You're severely misrepresenting LogGrad's argument. He never claimed it was peaceful before Rittenhouse got there - he said it would have been far less dangerous if Rittenhouse hadn't arrived with a rifle. Which is obviously true.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

You're severely misrepresenting LogGrad's argument. He never claimed it was peaceful before Rittenhouse got there

LogGrad has in multiple places referred to the events as a "protest". If you've seen the footage then you know that is a deliberate mischaracterization. No one is holding signs. No one is chanting. No one is wearing knitted pink hats. It wasn't a protest. It was an armed riot. Rittenhouse took a gun to a gun fight and he was not the first person to start shooting.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Downvote all you want Gameface but I’m going to keep hammering this point in hopes there will be some spark of recognition of who the baddies are.




Only one side is writing the books on race, one side buying books about race, one side pushing race education into school. It is the same side that Richard Spencer, who voted straight democrat in the last election, is on. The United States has a stain of racism on its past. The problem was the racism, but one side seems to be pretending the racism was fine but they just had the races in the wrong order.

I have no doubt LogGrad98 is shocked at being called a racist because his racism was in his mind the good kind of racism. I think you were shocked when you landed there too. It is still racism. Stop it. Stop doing it. Racism doesn’t lead to anywhere good and I will keep calling it out.

 

[babe]

What?

Nothing he said in the post your replying to is unreasonable.



You're severely misrepresenting LogGrad's argument. He never claimed it was peaceful before Rittenhouse got there - he said it would have been far less dangerous if Rittenhouse hadn't arrived with a rifle. Which is obviously true.

So you are saying that 1) we need citizens to assume the mantle of the police at their whim to maintain law and order, and 2) that angry white men are not responsible for most mass shootings in this country. Interesting take. Seems you want the wild west. I am glad we live in a society where you would not be making the rules.

So yes he was ambushed. Ok. If he hadn't been there at all, or hadn't had a gun, would anyone have felt they had a reason to ambush him? You are acting as if his choice to be a vigilante is fully reasonable and justified, and that he was the only one capable of being a vigilante.

Here is another way to look at it. Rosenbaum went there to stop shooters from attacking the protesters, with a plan to take out any bad guys by any means necessary, you know, as a vigilante. So he sees a kid brandishing a gun, an obvious gun, waving it around out in the open, like those used in mass shootings. He devises a plan to stop this dangerous shooter, since someone needs to maintain law and order, as you said. So he determines the best way to do this while being as safe for himself as possible, and he "ambushes" him, intent on stopping the guy with the gun, and not believing him while he yelled at him that he was a friendly, I mean that is what the bad guy would say, right? So he tries to stop him and the bad guy, the active shooter, shoots him. Who is the vigilante here?

You act like since Rittenhouse went there with a gun he was automatically authorized by the police to meet out both sentence and execution on any situation he deems to be dangerous that needs to be taken care of. This is so ridiculous it is mindboggling anyone could put that forward as a reasonable response. We do not live in the wild west. We do not live in a third world country where it is bouncing between tin-pot dictators. We live in an actual country with rule of law and law enforcement personnel and everything. We have no need of vigilantes.

It is hard to believe we have to state this stuff to adult human beings. Scares the **** out of me for where we are heading as a country. Which president will be the one fiddling while Washington burns?



Edit: the plinking argument is one of the worst excuses I have ever heard. So he innocently took a gun to the protest, not to hunt anyone down but because he got lost on the huge tract of land and had to find some cans to plink somewhere? Wow, the leaps in logic are astounding.

Rittenhouse was investigated, hopefully with some competence but perhaps with a determined motive to find anything that could possibly incriminate him further.

It seems the investigators found nothing of any use.

I think you need to review the facts that have come out, which are very different from early media reports.

People relying on media or political sources have gotten many facts all wrong.

Looks to me like Rittenhouse's parents are split up. He had a job as a lifeguard in Kenosha and is an EMT qualified person. His father and best friend lived nearby, and he was asked to help with the mess at the car dealership. He was sthere before the rioters came along, tryuing to clean up from the previous nigts' damage. He was cleaning up. He had a fire extinguisher and his medical bag along with his gun. Good sense preparations for anything. The rioters came onto the property ande assaulted him. He fled,and the rioters chased him down the sdtreet and assaulted him further, with deadly force. Attempted to brain him with a skateboard, attempted to stomp his head into the pavement.

I don't think Rittenhouse is thinking anything but remorse for all that happened. He would likely agree with you and in another similar case would decide not to be anywhere near a riot.

Calling him a racist or a white supremacist is way off. Nothing has been found to indicate Rittenhouse was any kind of po0litical activist or hater. Nothing like that was presented at the trial. There would have been charges filed if there were any evidence for it.

I think it's a good idea to leave this kid alone now, and let this subject just go.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

There was a protest in Grand Rapids yesterday to protest the not guilt verdict. A few of the protestors had guns at their sides.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Why else would he be there with a gun in the open like that? A reasonable person would be more likely to expect someone to carry concealed for personal protection and to carry open if they were looking for people to shoot.

Weren’t there a bunch of people packing some serious heat? And carrying openly? Doesn’t mean he was there to shoot people. Was he? I don’t know, but just watching the video my instincts say no. I just don’t get that vibe.

But I still think he was more correct when he pointed out that the kid had a murder fantasy he got to fulfill and what we saw as possible

Only Kyle can answer that.

The kid is still responsible for multiple deaths

At least partially yes. However it was self defense, and he was being attacked. The people that attacked him are also partially responsible for that as well

The kid is still responsible for multiple deaths that would have been so easily prevented

Well two of the people he shot, one came at him with a gun and the other a weapon in the form of a skateboard, and he also got kicked in the face. He still chose to come out and carry a gun. While he is responsible for the death of the two , it was in self defense. The first guy he shot apparently threatens to kill him if he got him alone, well he charged him and kept advancing on him weather he needed to shoot him he felt his life was in danger.

My point is that it appears from the video he never strayed from the law.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

Weren’t there a bunch of people packing some serious heat? And carrying openly? Doesn’t mean he was there to shoot people. Was he? I don’t know, but just watching the video my instincts say no. I just don’t get that vibe.

Only Kyle can answer that.

At least partially yes. However it was self defense, and he was being attacked. The people that attacked him are also partially responsible for that as well

Well two of the people he shot, one came at him with a gun and the other a weapon in the form of a skateboard, and he also got kicked in the face. He still chose to come out and carry a gun. While he is responsible for the death of the two , it was in self defense. The first guy he shot apparently threatens to kill him if he got him alone, well he charged him and kept advancing on him weather he needed to shoot him he felt his life was in danger.

My point is that it appears from the video he never strayed from the law.

Agreed. He's still a dumbass, but I figured he would not be convicted of anything he was charged with.

 

[One Brow]

He’s not a white supremacist...

How do you know that with such assurance?

 

[Dkeaton024]

What?

Nothing he said in the post your replying to is unreasonable.



You're severely misrepresenting LogGrad's argument. He never claimed it was peaceful before Rittenhouse got there - he said it would have been far less dangerous if Rittenhouse hadn't arrived with a rifle. Which is obviously true.

Oh I misrepresented what he said? You mean like I never said the gun and Rittenhouse made things less dangerous? People like LogGrad intentionally try to downplay things like the rioting and looting that went on all over by excusing it as "protesting" or "it's just property". No one buys the BS. We all can see what's happening. "Mostly peaceful protests" Biden ran an add with Rittenhouse referencing white supremacy. MSNBC went on and on about it. CNN hosts mentioned it. Leftists try to deflect on every garbage thing they do by trying to pretend they don't actually mean that, or downplaying disgusting behavior. Plenty of people died and were injured in the disgusting violent riots that took place. Don't get me wrong, plenty of great peaceful protests out there, this wasn't one of them, and no one is going to buy people like LogGrad's ******** about how Rittenhouse was so much more out of line than all the other idiots out there that night.

 

[One Brow]

Only one side is writing the books on race, one side buying books about race, one side pushing race education into school. It is the same side that Richard Spencer, who voted straight democrat in the last election, is on. The United States has a stain of racism on its past. The problem was the racism, but one side seems to be pretending the racism was fine but they just had the races in the wrong order.

I would be angry about the blatant misrepresentation, except you are showing such profound ignorance about so many things (starting with what books are being written), it would be like being angry with a baby for pooping outside a diaper.

 

[Dkeaton024]

How do you know that with such assurance?

Because I have seen no solid evidence that he is a white supremacist and you're going to have to prove to me he is. Screaming white supremacy at every single thing doesn't make it so. Now the Ahmaud Arbery case is one that much better fits and I am awaiting the verdict in that trial.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

How do you know that with such assurance?

How do you know that with such assurance?

You don’t, but at this time there’s no evidence that he is. I’m sure lots of people have scoured social media for even just one slip up.

Agreed. He's still a dumbass, but I figured he would not be convicted of anything he was charged with.

I didn’t pay any attention to the case till he was found not guilty. I recall hearing about him killing two and wounding one other and hearing he was a white suprematist from reports on tv. I guess some news outlets will be paying the price for that. The other day I YouTubed his cross examination. It felt like a police interrogation as if the offeicer doing the questioning was trying to get the person in question to slip up or pressure him into saying something that would incriminate himself. The prosecution was horribly bad.

 

[Avery]

People already saying the tragedy tonight in Wisconsin during the parade is payback for Rittenhouse when they don’t even have a clue. Let’s get some facts first.

Twitter is a cesspool.

 

[Safetydan]

@LogGrad98 take is obviously correct. Also, the leftist-blaming rhetoric is stupid af.

 

[One Brow]

Because I have seen no solid evidence that he is a white supremacist and you're going to have to prove to me he is.

I don't think I need to prove anything to you, and short of getting a membership role, I doubt you'd believe it anyhow. I was curious how you were so sure, but it seems it was just a debate tactic as opposed to being actual knowledge. Thanks for making it so clear that's how you act in these discussions.

Screaming white supremacy at every single thing doesn't make it so.

Very true, and denying it does not make it false. So far, the only evidence I've seen is that he's comfortable with white sumpremacists.

Now the Ahmaud Arbery case is one that much better fits and I am awaiting the verdict in that trial.

It seems more clear there, I agree.

 

[One Brow]

You don’t, but at this time there’s no evidence that he is.

There's that one picture with a couple of other supremacists, but they could just be supporters that he didn't know.

 

[Gameface]

@LogGrad98 take is obviously correct. Also, the leftist-blaming rhetoric is stupid af.

Yeah it's kind of hilarious considering the direction the "right" has gone with Trumpism.

They all like "You're calling racism racism and you expect my support?"

Meanwhile look at a ****ing Trump rally and ask yourself if you're convincing me to vote Republican.

I don't want to be on the same team as people who get turned off when racism is acknowledged and addressed. I don't know why they think "we" are trying to get them on our side. I certainly don't want them on my side. They can **** right the **** off as far as I'm concerned. We might not make them irrelevant today, but they WILL become irrelevant. So they can be stubborn little children until they die as far as I'm concerned.