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Rodney Hood is CJ miles 2.0

Is Hood CJ 2.0

  • I couldn't agree more

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • I couldn't disagree more

    Votes: 16 32.0%
  • I can see the similarity

    Votes: 12 24.0%
  • This bish be crazy AF

    Votes: 21 42.0%

  • Total voters
    50
Catch n Jack Smiles?

I remember when he scored 41 and everyone on JF laughed at him. Hood is a bad man. He's just been going through a lot of abuse this year.
 
when Hood was drafted, i figured him to be a nice shooter off the bench. he has surpassed that expectation for me, and since i wasn't expecting any more than that, i can't really be disappointed. he's pretty good, he's better than CJ was, and i'm glad he's on the team.

understand that i am a pretty avid Burks fan, though i am starting to doubt the fulfillment of that. Hood -in my mind- was a threat to Burks's staring spot, and it worried me, but now with the injuries practically hitting the reset button on Burks's career, who knows what will happen.
 
I`ve gone on the record before saying that we should explore what we could get for Rodney in a trade in the summer. It really worries me that he does have way too many games where he just does not show up and that he doess not seem to really have progressed over these past three years. Chances are that some team will throw the max at him next summer, and I would hate for that to be us if he does not step up his game by quite a bit.
 
Ive seen plenty of growth in Hood this year... Shot selection, passing and defense have all improved. He's even driven hard at times for a few THUNDEROUS dunks!

The only thing Ive seen from Hood during his career that I haven't liked was how he played in the 2nd half against the Lakers after putting up 30 in the first half. I wasn't impressed how timid he became, never looked for the ball and should have TORCHED them!
 
Ive seen plenty of growth in Hood this year... Shot selection, passing and defense have all improved. He's even driven hard at times for a few THUNDEROUS dunks!

The only thing Ive seen from Hood during his career that I haven't liked was how he played in the 2nd half against the Lakers after putting up 30 in the first half. I wasn't impressed how timid he became, never looked for the ball and should have TORCHED them!


You do know that nearly every advanced stat, from ts%, ftr, win share rate, vorp, per, etc have ALL regressed from last year right? Just because he dunked it once or twice doesn't mean he's improved.



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I used to think that Hood was better equipped than Hayward to make the jump from role player to go-to guy, because Hood seems to have a better shooting touch. But Hayward clearly worked so hard on his game and his body during the offseason that he was able to make that jump (although his athleticism is somewhat lacking still). Hood, on the other hand, seemed to be basically the same player but now has been plagued by injuries. That is certainly not a good sign coming from a still-young player and it is somewhat worrisome.

Regarding the comparison in question, both Hood and Miles are offensive players that rely heavily on shooting rather than driving or posting up. So, in that regard, is not a completelly nonsensical comparison. That being said, Miles was a lot less effective while playing for the Jazz. He started at the age of 18, but even if we take into account only his last three seasons as a Jazz player, when he was 22, 23 and 24 - which are Hood's ages while playing for the Jazz - Miles is not on par with Hood. Let's see:

Miles (22 years old): 19.2 FGA/100 possessions (13.5 FGA/36 minutes); .515 true shooting; .341 3P%.
Hood (22 years old: 18.7 FGA/100 possessions (12.7 FGA/36 minutes); .529 true shooting; .365 3P%.

Miles (23 years old): 24.1 FGA/100 possessions (16.4 FGA/36 minutes); .507 true shooting; .322 3P%.
Hood (23 years old): 20.2 FGA/100 possessions (13.8 FGA/36 minutes); .542 true shooting; .359 3P%.

Miles (24 years old): 21.3 FGA/100 possessions (14.6 FGA/36 minutes); .484 true shooting; .307 3P%.
Hood (24 years old): 22.2 FGA/100 possessions (15.2 FGA/36 minutes); .528 true shooting; .365 3P%.

So, even though Miles was really really really really really — and I can't stress this enough — inefficient as a shooter, he dared to shoot a lot. He shot so much that in two of the three seasons he shot more often than Hood, who shoots a lot.

One may argue that Miles, despite his absolutelly atrocious true shooting percentages, had value for his three point shot, but even that is inaccurate, since his three point percentages were awfull too.

In conclusion, the similiarities is that both are shooters and not slashers or post players. Also, both had a high usage rate for role players, but Miles in general dared to shoot more often and with disastrous results, while Hood has been able to maintain a fair level of shooting efficiency.

I rest my case.
Just saying Hayward is lacking athleticism makes the rest of the post not worth reading.
 
I was a CJ Miles fan, I was at the game where he dominate Antawn Jamison. But I don't see any similarities between him and Hood. CJ never came close to realizing his potential, Hood may or may not but as of right now Hood has been better for the Jazz than CJ ever was.
 
Just saying Hayward is lacking athleticism makes the rest of the post not worth reading.

You're too much of a homer, bro.

Here is Hayward pre-draft scouting report, per nbadraft.net:

Strengths: The 6-9 Sophomore forward is an outstanding shooter as evidenced by his 84% free throw percentage ... He has a high, quick release on his jumper enabling him to get his shot off when he wants ... His three-point accuracy has regressed from his freshman to sophomore campaign largely due to opponents contesting a higher percentage of his outside looks ... There's no doubt that he will be able to hit the outside jumper with great accuracy at the next level when getting open looks alongside another playmaker ... At the college level he also does a very good job of getting to the free throw line via drives to the basket or by drawing contact from offensive putbacks, 30% of his points come from the charity stripe ... Hayward is more than just a shooter as he's also an excellent offensive rebounder from the SF/wing position, averaging 2.1 offensive boards per game at an 8.5% offensive rebounding percentage ... He uses his good size and underrated athleticism to his advantage on the glass as he's averaging 8.3 total rebounds per game ... Gordon's ball handling ability is also a bit underrated, while he won't blow by anyone with his quickness, he is an effective ball handler and will initiate Butler's offense from the point forward position at times ... Hayward is also an effective passer with a high basketball IQ, he often defers to teammates and is willing to make the extra pass ...

Weaknesses: The biggest knock on Hayward's game is his lack of aggression ... He shows it from time to time, but we would like to see him make a more concerted effort to dominate games when his team needs him ... He's a match up problem for many teams at the college level, but his lack of a post game has allowed opponents to guard him with smaller defenders ... While we mentioned that he's a respectable ball handler, he does not look to score very often off of the dribble ... He gets to the rim at times in college, but that is not likely to translate to the NBA ... Hayward is a decent defender using his size and athleticism to his advantage at the college level ... However, his lack of elite lateral footspeed and strength will make it difficult to match up with small forwards in the NBA ... Several scouts and knowledgable observers have mentioned that Gordon is "too nice" which points to our comment about his lack of aggression ... Other questions exist about his commitment to being a great basketball player ... He is a very smart kid, majoring in engineering ... To his credit he has other interests and will have other options outside of basketball, but he must commit himself if he wants to be an effective player at the next level ...
Josh Cochran 2/15/10​

While I admit that Hayward worked on his body and got a lot better, he still doesn't have an elite athleticism by NBA standards - compare him to Jimmy Butler, for instance. Hayward is a very good player, probably deserves to be named not only an All-Star this season but also perhaps All-NBA Third Teamer. He is, though, a great overachiever; someone who harnessed everything that his body could provide in order to become a better player. Me saying that Hayward's athleticism is not elite is not a criticism, is a realist statement that allows us to realize how far did he go.
 
I've started making the JR Smith comparison. A streak guy who will put up 10-15 a night, with the ability to catch unstoppable fire at any given second. CJ was the same way but when CJ would put up 20 it was unexpected, when Rodney or Jr goes off for 20 it's not a huge surprise.

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You're too much of a homer, bro.

Here is Hayward pre-draft scouting report, per nbadraft.net:

Strengths: The 6-9 Sophomore forward is an outstanding shooter as evidenced by his 84% free throw percentage ... He has a high, quick release on his jumper enabling him to get his shot off when he wants ... His three-point accuracy has regressed from his freshman to sophomore campaign largely due to opponents contesting a higher percentage of his outside looks ... There's no doubt that he will be able to hit the outside jumper with great accuracy at the next level when getting open looks alongside another playmaker ... At the college level he also does a very good job of getting to the free throw line via drives to the basket or by drawing contact from offensive putbacks, 30% of his points come from the charity stripe ... Hayward is more than just a shooter as he's also an excellent offensive rebounder from the SF/wing position, averaging 2.1 offensive boards per game at an 8.5% offensive rebounding percentage ... He uses his good size and underrated athleticism to his advantage on the glass as he's averaging 8.3 total rebounds per game ... Gordon's ball handling ability is also a bit underrated, while he won't blow by anyone with his quickness, he is an effective ball handler and will initiate Butler's offense from the point forward position at times ... Hayward is also an effective passer with a high basketball IQ, he often defers to teammates and is willing to make the extra pass ...

Weaknesses: The biggest knock on Hayward's game is his lack of aggression ... He shows it from time to time, but we would like to see him make a more concerted effort to dominate games when his team needs him ... He's a match up problem for many teams at the college level, but his lack of a post game has allowed opponents to guard him with smaller defenders ... While we mentioned that he's a respectable ball handler, he does not look to score very often off of the dribble ... He gets to the rim at times in college, but that is not likely to translate to the NBA ... Hayward is a decent defender using his size and athleticism to his advantage at the college level ... However, his lack of elite lateral footspeed and strength will make it difficult to match up with small forwards in the NBA ... Several scouts and knowledgable observers have mentioned that Gordon is "too nice" which points to our comment about his lack of aggression ... Other questions exist about his commitment to being a great basketball player ... He is a very smart kid, majoring in engineering ... To his credit he has other interests and will have other options outside of basketball, but he must commit himself if he wants to be an effective player at the next level ...
Josh Cochran 2/15/10​

While I admit that Hayward worked on his body and got a lot better, he still doesn't have an elite athleticism by NBA standards - compare him to Jimmy Butler, for instance. Hayward is a very good player, probably deserves to be named not only an All-Star this season but also perhaps All-NBA Third Teamer. He is, though, a great overachiever; someone who harnessed everything that his body could provide in order to become a better player. Me saying that Hayward's athleticism is not elite is not a criticism, is a realist statement that allows us to realize how far did he go.

lol a pre draft scouting report is what your banking on? Seriously? He's athletic, the 2nd most athletic player on the Jazz and more athletic than you are giving credit for. His athleticism is close to elite, if not there. You said his athleticism is lacking. It's not. Lacking athleticism is Joe Ingles, Hayward would be top 3 in athleticism on almost any team in the nba. He is one of the better defensive SF's in the league.

I don't watch him that much but is Butler really more athletic than Hayward? If he is it's minimally more athletic.
 
lol a pre draft scouting report is what your banking on? Seriously? He's athletic, the 2nd most athletic player on the Jazz and more athletic than you are giving credit for. His athleticism is close to elite, if not there. You said his athleticism is lacking. It's not. Lacking athleticism is Joe Ingles, Hayward would be top 3 in athleticism on almost any team in the nba. He is one of the better defensive SF's in the league.

I don't watch him that much but is Butler really more athletic than Hayward? If he is it's minimally more athletic.

With all due respect, I think you are seeing Hayward through rose-colored glasses. There used to be an agreement on this community about Hayward not possessing elite athleticism. Some considered Hayward's athleticism lacking; others considered it sufficient. Nobody, though, seemed to think Hayward's athleticism was "elite" our "close to elite". Here are three samples, from three points of his career:

2010
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2012
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2015
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With all due respect, I think you are seeing Hayward through rose-colored glasses. There used to be an agreement on this community about Hayward not possessing elite athleticism. Some considered Hayward's athleticism lacking; others considered it sufficient. Nobody, though, seemed to think Hayward's athleticism was "elite" our "close to elite". Here are three samples, from three points of his career:

2010
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You realize people work on their bodies right? Look at rookie Gordon vs captain America Gordon. The dude is widely considered league wide a great 2 way player, a good defender, and very athletic. I always watch the opposing team's broadcast and they without fail comment about how athletic Hayward is. Not to mention he is one of our best defensive wings and often guards some of the best players in the world. Your argument holds no ground.

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With all due respect, I think you are seeing Hayward through rose-colored glasses. There used to be an agreement on this community about Hayward not possessing elite athleticism. Some considered Hayward's athleticism lacking; others considered it sufficient. Nobody, though, seemed to think Hayward's athleticism was "elite" our "close to elite". Here are three samples, from three points of his career:

2010
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2012
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2015
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So you went from a pre career scouting report to a general consensus from this board. LOL
 
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