Romney Fundraiser - Secret Taping
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The Thriller
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You don't think that the majority had they been born to Mitt's parents wouldn't still be rich?
I'm not referring to Mitt's political career. Not many people probably would have followed that. I'm referring specifically to Mitt's wealth.
Those folks, had they been born to Mitt's parents, would have received so many more opportunities, paid for schooling, etc. that the vast majority would have maintained or built upon the wealth they already had.
Mitt isn't a self made man.
You give most Americans the upbringing and opportunities he had and they'd be rich too. Never underestimate the power that good education and connections with millionaires can have.
Gyp Rosetti
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By God, he didn't. He agreed with that part.
The Thriller
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I understand that.
I just don't see them being separated.
You plug Mitt into a life of hard labor, no college education, surrounded by drugs, rape, unemployment, etc and he's a one of the 47 % that he despises right now with probably 8 kids with 3 different women.
Again, America isn't being killed off by lazy asses. We're being killed off because a very small percentage of the population owns, controls, and operates everything. We keep hearing how giving them more tax cuts, subsidies, and our freedoms (like destroying unions) will benefit us for promises that they'll finally 'create jobs.' right.
Folks are living and dying without hope. They see no college education, they see no opportunity, they live in a world of poverty, etc. Quite the contrast to Romney's bed of Benjamins.
If anything, we need to focus on bringing that 47 % up. Hence, why I support universal health care, education, and sniff sniff, higher taxes on millionaires (ohhh the hooorrrrrorrr!). I know I know, I'm a horrible person for thinking that Mitt's money would be better invested in helping some of those 47 percent gain an education instead of Mitt building a car elevator or building another castle in Park City.
Everyone except complete degenerate ****ing idiots would still be rich. But Romney was able to take his opportunity and turn it into something. I disagree with the idea that most people would see the same level of success Mitt has had, largely because there are a lot of millionaire children that don't end up running huge investment capital firms or becoming governors. Whether I agree with how he ran his business or his governorship or not. But he took his opportunity and ran with it which, again, is still more than a lot of people do at similar, greater, or lesser levels.
Of course that is not to say if he was born in a middle-class family or lower his fate would be even similar and I definitely contend that it would be basically anything but. Like the vast majority of the rest of us.
You typed too much after comprehending too little.
Stellar.
He did say that. It's on youtube, Now it was in the context of how the election was shaping up, so he could argue that that when he says "never" he didn't mean never, he just meant as far as the election is concerned, and he has since said that he could should have articulated it better, but he did say it.
Of course , as mentioned before, this is not my only problem with his words.
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The Thriller
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I'm not asking about the backtrack. I'm asking about his original statement. Did he say it or not? You said he did. Is it true, or how you remembered it ..?
The Thriller
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mellow
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So you're saying that Millions of Americans would be squeaky clean, boring rich stiffs who had been a Govenor and running for president? Sorry PKM I can't agree. Maybe you deal with a higher level of person than I do, but my experience with people tells me that the vast majority would not be willing to do what Mitt has done, and would therefore not find themselves where he is today. Some would. Most would not.
For that same reason I believe Mitt would rise, just as many others have, regardless of the obstacles they faced or position they were born to. Maybe not rise as high, maybe it would be harder, but some people are just able to achieve and lead. I'm okay with that, and I'm okay that I'm not Mitt or PKM or whomever your favorite overachiever is. Life isn't fair, and nobody can make it fair. The sooner a person comes to term with that the sooner they will find serenity.
The Thriller
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The stats on class mobility would support my original statement.
Romney was born a millionaire and has maintained that.
Just as most of that 47 % who he despises would have maintained or added upon their own wealth. They may not have followed suite with being governor, Presidential Candidate, etc. but they would have found ways to either maintain or add upon their wealth. Stats show that.
Again, it's easy to steal home when you start out on 3rd base. Had romney done this while his dad suffered a horrific death for lack of health insurance, his mom worked 3 jobs to make ends meet, without a free college education, etc I would bow to his "work ethic."
Instead, I laugh when he attempts to relate to "joe sixpack."
You misunderstood. I said that most people born into wealth will remain wealthy. I disagreed that Mitt wouldn't be able to be successful if he hadn't be born into privilege.
I never made any reply as to whether the average person would aspire to Mitt's level
To be clear, I think Mitt is exceptionally driven, very smart, savvy, and would find a way to rise to the top regardless.
The Thriller
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Good point. Don't many of you people know each other from poker games and such?