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northeast said:
Oil prices just dropped about 9% in the last week,
Pearl, did Romney just get elected? Keep us posted on these things!
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It doesn't matter how much oil prices come down.
Most gasoline is now 10 percent ethanol, and with the corn belts in drought for most of the summer, gasoline will go down for a minute and then go right back up.

That being said, I'm sure prices will come down a little strictly for the elections.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
Not the case when it comes to myself, and most other I know that are either work part time, are unemployed, or haven't been able to find work for months.
We all have much in common, but people with money are so comfortable with their lives, that they haven't seen these problems come to fruition yet.

Case and point, and don't believe in higher taxes for the rich.
In fact, I don't believe in a federal income tax at all.
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So how do you propose paying for roads, parks, schools, firemen, policemen, teachers, townhalls, politicians, EPA, NSA, CIA, Army, Navy, Marines, Airforce, soclal workers, tax collectors, dogcatchers, United Nations, farmer subsidies, tax assessors, Congress, President, Unversities, hospitals, ballparks, sewage systems, bridges, water systems, and other stuff government does?
 
northeast said:
So how do you propose paying for roads, parks, schools, firemen, policemen, teachers, townhalls, politicians, EPA, NSA, CIA, Army, Navy, Marines, Airforce, soclal workers, tax collectors, dogcatchers, United Nations, farmer subsidies, tax assessors, Congress, President, Unversities, hospitals, ballparks, sewage systems, bridges, water systems, and other stuff government does?
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More than half of what you listed is already paid for by state a local taxes, and has nothing to do with the federal income tax.
The other half....
EPA gone, NSA gone, subsidies gone, (congress used to be a part time thing).
We pay for the U.N?
We pay for Universities, and hospitals? I sure hope not.
 
northeast said:
So how do you propose paying for roads, parks, schools, firemen, policemen, teachers, townhalls, politicians, EPA, NSA, CIA, Army, Navy, Marines, Airforce, soclal workers, tax collectors, dogcatchers, United Nations, farmer subsidies, tax assessors, Congress, President, Unversities, hospitals, ballparks, sewage systems, bridges, water systems, and other stuff government does?
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You're lumping a lot of different types of taxes together. You need separate out what federal income taxes pay for and then redo your list.
 
States get lots of their revenues from state income taxes, and transfers from the Federal government, so I don't see your distinctions as all that crucial. The point is, do you want to eliminate everything government does, and if not, how do you want to fund it? We've discussed this before I am sure, probably not worth rehashing.
 
northeast said:
So how do you propose paying for roads, parks, schools, firemen, policemen, teachers, townhalls, politicians, EPA, NSA, CIA, Army, Navy, Marines, Airforce, soclal workers, tax collectors, dogcatchers, United Nations, farmer subsidies, tax assessors, Congress, President, Unversities, hospitals, ballparks, sewage systems, bridges, water systems, and other stuff government does?
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Paid for by local taxes:
Local roads, local parks, firemen, policemen, townhalls, local politicians, dogcatchers, hospitals to a point, ballparks, sewage systems, bridges, water systems.

Paid for by state taxes:
State roads, state parks, state representatives, social workers, hospitals to a point, ballparks to a point, sewage systems, bridges, water systems.

Eliminated due to the abolition of federal taxes:
EPA, NSA, CIA, (the military comes home, and a war tax is instituted in the event that we become involved in one), tax collectors, farmer subsides, tax assessors.

Paid for privately:
United Nations, universities.

Jobs that didn't use to hold an actual wage:
Congress and the President.
 
northeast said:
States get lots of their revenues from state income taxes, and transfers from the Federal government, so I don't see your distinctions as all that crucial. The point is, do you want to eliminate everything government does, and if not, how do you want to fund it? We've discussed this before I am sure, probably not worth rehashing.
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This is true about federal government transfers, and that's why there should be an opt out clause for states that want to take care of themselves.
I didn't get into the public school system, because that's a debate in and of itself.
The government is needed only for defense and providing sound money, both are examples of things they do badly.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
Paid for by local taxes:
Local roads, local parks, firemen, policemen, townhalls, local politicians, dogcatchers, hospitals to a point, ballparks, sewage systems, bridges, water systems.

Paid for by state taxes:
State roads, state parks, state representatives, social workers, hospitals to a point, ballparks to a point, sewage systems, bridges, water systems.

Eliminated due to the abolition of federal taxes:
EPA, NSA, CIA, (the military comes home, and a war tax is instituted in the event that we become involved in one), tax collectors, farmer subsides, tax assessors.

Paid for privately:
United Nations, universities.

Jobs that didn't use to hold an actual wage:
Congress and the President.
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Those distinctions are not so clean.
I would dispute a lot of that if I had the inclination to take the time.
 
northeast said:
Those distinctions are not so clean, I disagree with some of that, but I'm not going into the details now.
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Well at least we agree on some of it, so that's a start. Lolz
The distinctions to get a little distorted on the local/state government fronts, because those governments are free to help each other out.

Reason being, smaller governments are easier for the people to hold accountable.
The constitution created separation of government branches for a reason.
This was called Federalism.
 
I don't think Obama will mind us reprinting their info

% of Total Income

National Defense
24.9%

Health care
23.7%

Job and Family Security
19.1%

Education and Job Training
3.6%

Veterans Benefits
4.5%

Natural Resources, Energy, and Environment
2.0%

International Affairs
1.6%

Science, Space, and Technology Programs
1.0%

Immigration, Law Enforcement, and Administration of Justice
2.0%

Agriculture
0.7%

Community, Area, and Regional Development
0.5%

Response to Natural Disasters
0.4%

Additional Government Programs
7.9%

Net Interest
8.1%

So how are you going to eliminate all of the above?
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
Not the case when it comes to myself, and most others I know that are either work part time, are unemployed, or haven't been able to find work for months.
We all have much in common, but people with money are so comfortable with their lives, that they haven't seen these problems come to fruition yet.

Case and point, I don't believe in higher taxes for the rich.
In fact, I don't believe in a federal income tax at all.
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My response was meant in the general sense. There are always individuals that open their eyes. That worls for those that are rich and those that are not. But as groups I believe I am right.
 
Good question.
Probably handouts to poor Republicans??

:D

Food stamps, unemployment insurance , disability payments, school lunches, maybe social security payments and/or employment tax credits, who knows what else. ( ???)
 
northeast said:
I don't think Obama will mind us reprinting their info
Income TaxExpand All Sub-Categories
% of Total Income
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National Defense
(Bring the troops home.)

Health care
(The same way healthcare was provided for pre-entitlement programs.)
Private insurance, churches, private hospital care.

Job and Family Security
I don't really understand what that bracket entails, unless we're talking about the dried up social security fund.

Education and Job Training
3.6%
Funny how we spend more than double on interest and additional government programs, then we do on education.

Veterans Benefits
4.5%
Most veterans get screwed out of their benefits anyway.

Natural Resources, Energy, and Environment
2.0%
Not needed.

International Affairs
1.6%
Provided by the people.

Science, Space, and Technology Programs
1.0%

Immigration, Law Enforcement, and Administration of Justice
2.0%

Agriculture
0.7%

Community, Area, and Regional Development
0.5%

Response to Natural Disasters
0.4%

Additional Government Programs
7.9%

Net Interest
8.1%


All in all, if we're going to have a Fed print money out of thin air......
Why don't we just have the Fed print money for all these programs, and keep them?
 
northeast said:
Good question.
Probably handouts to poor Republicans??

:D

Food stamps, unemployment insurance , disability payments, school lunches, maybe social security payments and/or employment tax credits, who knows what else. ( ???)
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You keep harping on this but I find it odd that people who seem so dependent on the government are the ones that vote for the party which would reduce entitlements. Maybe they just want someone that will create an environment where they can fend for themselves?
 
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