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Jobs that didn't use to hold an actual wage:
Congress and the President.

Considering the very first president received upwards of $200,000,000.00 in gold equivalent for his 8 years in office... did you learn your US history from Fidel Castro?


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Solving the debt problem is as easy as quadrupling the Federal Reserve's balance sheet. Ben Bernanke should run for president in 2016.
 
Considering the very first president received upwards of $200,000,000.00 in gold equivalent for his 8 years in office... did you learn your US history from Fidel Castro?


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Solving the debt problem is as easy as quadrupling the Federal Reserve's balance sheet. Ben Bernanke should run for president in 2016.

I never really looked at that, so maybe he did lol.
Then again, we also wanted George Washington to be a king.
The rest of the truth is, congressmen used to have other jobs and career politicians virtually didn't exist.

I would love for the Fed to keep injecting more backless paper junk into our economy, that way we can end this sooner rather than later.

Go QE3!
 
The rest of the truth is, congressmen used to have other jobs and career politicians virtually didn't exist.

I would love for the Fed to keep injecting more backless paper junk into our economy, that way we can end this sooner rather than later.

Go QE3!

I disagree, in part only. Considering the FF's were a pretty smart group of strangely all white men, I tend to support all career politicians making huge salaries just like all of them did. Why should politicians have to constantly look over their shoulder & cater to their dumb *** constituents?

I agree full heartedly on siding with their advice on everything including printing all the money necessary to accomplish Washington's goals though. Hell, I threw a huge party when QE3 was announced.
 
Why should politicians have to constantly look over their shoulder & cater to their dumb *** constituents?

Oh I don't know, maybe because it's their job?
Just a thought.

I agree full heartedly on siding with their advice on everything including printing all the money necessary to accomplish Washington's goals though. Hell, I threw a huge party when QE3 was announced.

It's all good bro, I'm glad you buy into the Washington machine.
Hell, I'll be throwing a huge party when countries stop using the dollar as their reserve currency, and the United States credit rating gets downgraded.

****..... I'm late to the party again.
 
It's all good bro, I'm glad you buy into the Washington machine.
Hell, I'll be throwing a huge party when countries stop using the dollar as their reserve currency, and the United States credit rating gets downgraded.

****..... I'm late to the party again.

Oh put me on the park guest lisp, bro. Americans going back to work is worth getting smashed over.
 
I think you misunderstand the motivation & drive behind the super successful. Maybe they wouldn't succeed under the most trying circumstances inside a corrupt political regime, but they don't really have that to deal with north of the Mexican border.



A lot of immigrants to NYC have built their businesses from the ground up. That goes for all walks of life, and even more so for the Jews, who do it every damn place they migrate to. Jewish success has been linked to cultural support, which obviously isn't equal across migrant classes. Still, at the end of the day, starting a business & working your *** off is the real first stepping stone. Using that success to pay for college & see family members climb the Wall Street ladder comes after.

Jewish success and Japanese success are two different things I have been reading about over the past few months. Well, before school started at least. Very interesting stuff. I know the Japanese have completely different perspective of work ethics, and looking at the trasnofrmation that their country went through through the turn of the 20th century is really quite remarkable. But yes, I think you're right here.

I grew up poor as **** and worked harder during the summer than many grown ups, so you'll have to excuse me for saying boo freaking hoo.

One summer I mowed 10 lawns once a week with a push mower plus my parents twice--many were 1/2 acre. I also had a paper route that took about 1.5 hours every single day, worked in a local orchard for $2/hour, and spent many Saturdays cutting wood to keep warm in the winter. The cars broke down a lot & my father needed help fixing them. We worked a lot.

I don't look back on that and wish I had it any other way. Sure, it would have been nice to value education higher than I did but the value my family placed on hard work has payed off just as much if not more so.

The point I was making is I can't sympathize with the poor can't do it mantra. It's repulsive how the left drags out and dehumanizes the worst situation they can find in the most demoralizing, patronizing way possible. I don't need a sob story to put my support behind an initiative. In fact, they tend to push me away out of disgust.


Well, I never actually caught these posts until I skimmed through this thread a second time. Just wanna point out that a) frank, you're pretty on point here (moreso than myself, which is why I usually try to stay out of these types of discussions because I know I am outclassed knowledge-wise by some of you) and b) my purpose wasn't trying to concoct a feel-bad story to try and get people to sympathize with the poor.


I just feel like way too many poor people are stuck in socioeconomic 'ruts', and we have to try and devise a few ways to coax people out of them, particularly inner-city youth, African-American youth, and so on.

Interesting report I;ve read, that you would probably be interested as well frank (as well as anyone else who's interested):https://www.pewstates.org/uploadedFiles/PCS_Assets/2012/Pursuing_American_Dream.pdf

Yes, >80% of people make more money than their parents; however, pay attention to what it says about the stickiness at the sides. I dunno, maybe I shall look further into this issue.
 
As human beings, it is our responsibility to watch out for each other. As an individual, I can't help the guy who is suffering in Denver, but the government can.

There are a few common sense tweeks that need to be made to the welfare system that we use, but even then there will be leeches. You don't cut off your nose to spite your face. (unless you're Slopper, in which case I'd start just below the chin and make my way up) The day that we give up trying to help is the day that we have utterly failed as a race/species/whatever.
 
As human beings, it is our responsibility to watch out for each other. As an individual, I can't help the guy who is suffering in Denver, but the government can.

Oh yeah, the government has shown over the years that they're pro at running almost anything.

Education: Wonderful
Healthcare: Impeccable
Social Security: Perfect
Tax System: Freakin A
Protecting rights: Awesome
Defending the country: Spectacular

I just don't know how else to describe my amazing United States government....
****, I need a tissue now.
 
To preface, black graduation rates are probably the largest contributing factor limiting income mobility in America. Any policy discussion should start there.

We could put in a reward system to get grad rates up, but this could be gamed and produce the opposite result. Putting policies in that lower the hurdle rate so potential can be realized but effect no change go too far.

It's also possible that greater mobility will be a short lived phenomenon. As far as I am concerned, American mobility begins and ends with education availability. Tax policy, safety nets, all the other rhetoric is a distraction to the economic changes underlying the allegedly widening wealth divide. We transitioned from an industrial society where our Lewis Turning Point demanded high wages & on the job training to a surplus of manual labor & more intellectually oriented workforce. That environment benefits the wealthy who have the insight to figure out what changes to make & have the means to fund higher education. Poor people often don't have the first clue about industry & fail to see the benefits of education.

This is my greatest criticism of Obama. He failed miserably at helping the jobless poor transition into modern professions in a time when they needed help the most. Why he and his democratically controlled legislature chose to cut higher education funding while bumping military spending enormously will forever be a mystery to me.

I could agreed we have not realized our existing perfect potential, but the potential is there. Agreed on the second sentence over the last few decades.

I agree that we need to improve graduation rates for all poor people. Do you acknowledge that being severly poor, having hunger issues, etc. will pull down graduation rates?

I also think you underestimate the effects of example. Let's say that in group A, your probability of acheiving a cdertain level of income are 80% when you matriculate to a certain college, and 40% when you don't. In group B, those numbers are 30% and 15% respectively. Even thought a college education doubles your chances for both, can you see why group B would be less inclined to pursue it, why the "benefits of education" have less meaning for them?

Finally, you did not respond directlhy to my questions on whether there was such a thing as too much income mobility. However, I will answer one of yours that I have given some more thought. Income mobility is a measure, not a goal. Unless you're a professional weightlifter, you don't lift weights for the purpose of lifting more weight, and lifting more weight is not the primary goal. It's a measure of general, overall strength increase.
 
I was taken aback. You make her arguments far more effectively than she does.

I honestly do not think she has any interest in making a legit arguement. She is going for shock and wants to put people off. I won't call her a dup account (because I have no knowledge of such) but her goal is the same.
 
Oh yeah, the government has shown over the years that they're pro at running almost anything.

Education: Wonderful
Healthcare: Impeccable
Social Security: Perfect
Tax System: Freakin A
Protecting rights: Awesome
Defending the country: Spectacular

I just don't know how else to describe my amazing United States government....
****, I need a tissue now.

You forgot the Postal Service...... :)
 
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