Captain Keefe
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I keep hearing Millsap for Rondo. Why on earth would Boston want Millsap? They have his clone in Brandon Bass. Unless we take Brandon Bass back I do not see why Boston would want 2 of the same thing.
Rondo being shopped hard.
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I'd love to have Rose on this team. Love what I see about him personality wise. I think he would be a great fit.
m3at
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T-Bone
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The situation that the Celtics are in is that the team - outside of Rondo - is old. They have absolutely no relative youth (I say relative on this board, because the Jazz have real youth) other than Rondo. So if they are just trading Rondo, the primary return is to improve the current team. Make one last stand with KG, Pierce and Ray. In that case, a deal for Milisap + Harris + whatever Ainge can get in terms of youth makes sense. GSW #1 probably makes sense although I wouldn't be surprised if Ainge actually sent the LAC #1 which has shockingly become less valuable thanks to the CP3 trade. KG slides to the 5 and Milisap/Bass share time at the 4. Harris takes over as PG. Obviously everyone here has a better take on Harris than I do, but I think the Celtics are willing to downgrade at PG to get a guy who might fit in better. That's the logical view that I see from Ainge's standpoint. Dealing Rondo for future pieces is crazy when the rest of their team still wants to compete.
Personally, I'd like the Celtics to try and get some youthful assets for Pierce or Ray first and then turn around and trade Rondo for more youth. But I don't think that's going to happen because I think Ainge's plan is to never let the team get below a .500 club and ride the old graybeards as long as he can while adding younger core guys. Milisap would be a key in that regard.
Rondo has been difficult to deal with for a long time. Maybe he'd turn it around in Utah, but I fully expect it to work out very badly. But, I think he definitely could be had for the Milisap+Harris+pick that many of you seem to be clamoring for if that was the only trade on the table. Ultimately though, I don't think it will happen as I expect Ainge to either get more (the latest chatter is Portland who has the untouchable Batum that they could combine with Felton) or he'll just wait until draft time because Rondo's value isn't going down anytime soon.
I like the Jazz but don't watch that much of them - why are people so quick to dump Milisap? He seems like he is coming into his own and would be the perfect mentor/filler until Favors breaks through (which of course may never happen). My guess is that the stench of Jefferson hogging minutes up front is being unfairly applied to Milisap.
Personally, I'd like the Celtics to try and get some youthful assets for Pierce or Ray first and then turn around and trade Rondo for more youth. But I don't think that's going to happen because I think Ainge's plan is to never let the team get below a .500 club and ride the old graybeards as long as he can while adding younger core guys. Milisap would be a key in that regard.
Rondo has been difficult to deal with for a long time. Maybe he'd turn it around in Utah, but I fully expect it to work out very badly. But, I think he definitely could be had for the Milisap+Harris+pick that many of you seem to be clamoring for if that was the only trade on the table. Ultimately though, I don't think it will happen as I expect Ainge to either get more (the latest chatter is Portland who has the untouchable Batum that they could combine with Felton) or he'll just wait until draft time because Rondo's value isn't going down anytime soon.
I like the Jazz but don't watch that much of them - why are people so quick to dump Milisap? He seems like he is coming into his own and would be the perfect mentor/filler until Favors breaks through (which of course may never happen). My guess is that the stench of Jefferson hogging minutes up front is being unfairly applied to Milisap.
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l Abach l
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T-Bone - can I ask you how Millsap is coming into his own? I have loved his effort and attitude on the court, but it seems that we are seeing a different season, with the same story. He started the season playing like an all star, and is beginning to fade away due to his lack of size and for other reasons unknown. We have seen Millsap's peak. It isn't good enough to carry us to a championship. Isn't that what we want? Now, if Millsap were to accept a 6th man role off the bench ala Ginobli, Terry, Odom, etc, I'd be all for keeping Millsap. But from what I've heard he won't accept that role. It's kind of a gamble to move him, not knowing the future results of Favors and kanter, but if our goals are something greater than a first round exit in the playoffs, we need to make changes involving that rotation.
T-Bone
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I'm really just looking at the few Jazz games I've seen and I admit it's a small sample which is why I'm asking. I'm an outsider and looking to gain some perspective from people who watch him everyday. Effort and attitude are a huge part of a player and he's got that part. He won't accept a 6th man role, or Corbin won't play him in a 6th man role? Also, Kanter and Favors are great prospects and I'm not suggesting the Jazz trade either for Rondo, but having them learn from a guy like Milisap should be a big positive.
BluesRocker
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Here ill give you something to chew on
I ga ga ga guarantee we dont get Rondo
Grow a brain turds. It isnt happening
I ga ga ga guarantee we dont get Rondo
Grow a brain turds. It isnt happening
m3at
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I'm pretty reluctant to give up Jefferson/Sap in this scenario, mostly because bigs are hard to come by, but if I had to choose, it would be Sap that would be moved.
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Please, please post more.
I'm dying to know, do you know him better than people that have coached, played, and otherwise worked with him for the last 5+ years AND most recently? If you do, how on earth would you?
For my part, I think he's a wildly overrated player that does a few things extremely well (passing, running, defending, rebounding). Even if he was Tim Duncan upstairs, his jump-shot is a HUGE concern, but he sounds every part a cancer to the people that know him best (in the ways that it matters).
As I have said in reference to acquiring Westbrook (a better player that is no longer even remotely available); 'Right now, the Jazz are a flower waiting to bloom, adding this guy would be like watering it with gasoline.'
i dont know why jazz fans want rondo. we need a guard that can shoot. thats been our problem all year... rondo can't even hit a 12 foot jumper wide open. he's not even a very good free throw shooter either. sure he is a good defender and distributer but we need someone to shoot and create plays. i say we move burks to the point and trade one of our bigs for a shooter
Deej_Lambert
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What will be important is how willing the Jazz are to part with one or both of their upcoming first round picks. He may be an enigma, but Boston isn't going to part with Rondo for anything that doesn't bring them future assets. It's going to be some sort of Al Jefferson/draft picks or Paul Millsap/Devin Harris/draft pick combination, or it's not gong to happen.
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orangello
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I'm sorry if this has already been said but if I was KOC, I would sit back and see if Boston comes calling. If they do then I let them make the first offer and then low ball them slightly. They will ask for the farm, but the fact that they are asking tells you how the Jazz should really handle the situation.
m3at
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I think most of us all hoped that Al could flourish here and that the team would continue winning. I think we have to consider the circumstances Al and a lot of our team went through last year before we can say that KOC made a mistake with Al. This shortened season hasn't been good for most teams that have been together for a while including teams like Dallas, Lakers, etc, let alone our team of rooks and role players so I'm not willing to say that he's a bust this season either. He's one of the main reasons we have a good record and it remains to be seen whether or not Favors/Kanter could anchored our front court (from what I've seen, they aren't quite ready), but I've seen some improvement from Al. He passes more and seems have some more patience before going into "black hole" mode. Al is a legit low post threat, not many big's in the league have his foot work down low and not many big's can defend him. Often times when the Jazz need a bucket, you can count on Al providing that. I really think our biggest issue is outside shooting and has been since after the Stock/Malone era.
vslice02
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There's about a zero percent chance Boston would trade Rondo to Utah without the Jazz giving up atleast one of Favors, Kanter or Burks. Boston realizes Rondo's not capable of being the face of the franchise when KG, Ray and Pierce leave/continue declining and want to get someone back who can. Big Al, Millsap and Harris aren't those types of pieces. Boston isn't going to look at Utah's roster, and say "Yeah, I'll give you our only young and viable trade asset and pretend I don't see that you have 3 guys oozing with potential sitting on your roster."
I'm lukewarm on Rondo as a player. He can do unbelievable things on the court but I think he needs to be on the right team (highly competitive) with the right teammates (veterans, strong leadership) and right players (spotup shooters) around him and I don't think the Jazz would be a good fit at all.
I'm lukewarm on Rondo as a player. He can do unbelievable things on the court but I think he needs to be on the right team (highly competitive) with the right teammates (veterans, strong leadership) and right players (spotup shooters) around him and I don't think the Jazz would be a good fit at all.
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Only 3 young players? Hmmm, I'd throw the idea of Harris and our 4th young, Hayward, for Rondo. Worst they do is say no.
squareinthecircle
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If it's true that Big AL is not trade-able then we should just hold onto both Millsap and Al until Al's contract is up, do not re-sign him, and in the meantime begin starting to distribute minutes more equally between the vets and young guys. I don't care if Millsap starts as long as we limit his minutes to keep him fresh and effective all season long. I remember Sloan used to take Stockton and Malone out early to sit them for a short while- the same can be done for Paul, only keep him out a bit longer.
I don't think that Rondo's personality would be a great fit here either. We've already seen what it's like with a floor leader with an attitude.
I don't think that Rondo's personality would be a great fit here either. We've already seen what it's like with a floor leader with an attitude.
I skimmed through some Celtics blogs and obviously they value Rondo much less than PKM and aybars. Many say best of realistic trades for Rondo are something like Hibbert+Collison, Big Al (they say Utah won't give up Harris+Al for Rondo 
), some even consider taking trade exception for Rondo if Ainge is keen to ship him out at any cost. They are not very high on him saying they need a PG who can shoot, hit FTs and not turn the ball over too much. Most importantly, they mentioned Rondo isn't worth his contract without great players around him so he won't fit into rebuilding team which is main concern on this board as well.
), some even consider taking trade exception for Rondo if Ainge is keen to ship him out at any cost. They are not very high on him saying they need a PG who can shoot, hit FTs and not turn the ball over too much. Most importantly, they mentioned Rondo isn't worth his contract without great players around him so he won't fit into rebuilding team which is main concern on this board as well.