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Rudy Gobert has got to go

His best season was 16ppg and 8rpg. He never led us to the playoffs (I don't count last year because he was hurt so much and getting there wasnt on him). His only shining moment was Game 7 against the Clippers in the first round.

Our faith in him led to letting Millsap, Kanter, and AK go.

Favors is a major, major disappointment.



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LoPo said:
His best season was 16ppg and 8rpg. He never led us to the playoffs (I don't count last year because he was hurt so much and getting there wasnt on him). His only shining moment was Game 7 against the Clippers in the first round.

Our faith in him led to letting Millsap, Kanter, and AK go.

Favors is a major, major disappointment.



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How many times has he delivered in crunch time? Can't think of many, besides Clippers game.
 
LoPo said:
His best season was 16ppg and 8rpg. He never led us to the playoffs (I don't count last year because he was hurt so much and getting there wasnt on him). His only shining moment was Game 7 against the Clippers in the first round.

Our faith in him led to letting Millsap, Kanter, and AK go.

Favors is a major, major disappointment.



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Gobert and Kanter were why they let Kanter go, not Favors. But overall yeah, it's been a let down. Injuries didn't help.
 
Stoked said:
Gobert and Kanter were why they let Kanter go, not Favors. But overall yeah, it's been a let down. Injuries didn't help.
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[Replying to LoPo]: AK sucked is why we let AK go. I'm fine that we let Kanter go for Favors (though I think we could have gotten a bit more for him than a pick that became Rubio and Threebor, but I don't care debating that -- all I know is that two teams were willing to max him at the time).

I've always been hopeful but never saw, from the eye test, "OMG this guy will be an all-star." I'd love if he could net us Crowder and I don't really see any reason for us to not do that.
 
I don't know what got fed to some of our fanbase since we got the guy, but the Favors coolaid is still being passed around. For **** sake, some people want to trade Gobert to build our post around Favors.

Favors is the biggest disappointment and its not close.

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I visit JazzFanz after some time away and this is a trending topic?

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infection said:
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[Replying to LoPo]: AK sucked is why we let AK go. I'm fine that we let Kanter go for Favors (though I think we could have gotten a bit more for him than a pick that became Rubio and Threebor, but I don't care debating that -- all I know is that two teams were willing to max him at the time).

I've always been hopeful but never saw, from the eye test, "OMG this guy will be an all-star." I'd love if he could net us Crowder and I don't really see any reason for us to not do that.
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The reason he won't net us Crowder is because the Cavs hangup the phone when DL is halfway thru the question.
 
infection said:
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[Replying to LoPo]: AK sucked is why we let AK go. I'm fine that we let Kanter go for Favors (though I think we could have gotten a bit more for him than a pick that became Rubio and Threebor, but I don't care debating that -- all I know is that two teams were willing to max him at the time).

I've always been hopeful but never saw, from the eye test, "OMG this guy will be an all-star." I'd love if he could net us Crowder and I don't really see any reason for us to not do that.
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Kanter acting the fool and demanding a trade and Gobert ready to unleash hell behind him. Kanter being traded isn't because of Favors IMO.
 
NAOS said:
The reason he won't net us Crowder is because the Cavs hangup the phone when DL is halfway thru the question.
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Crowder provides the Cavs a much needed wing defender. He has increased value to them. NAOS is right.
 
He wasn't a cancer and its not his fault we played him out of position. At PF, AK was a nightmare for other teams. He was practically Draymond. Imagine how much less valuable Draymond would be if they made him play the 3.

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LoPo said:
He wasn't a cancer and its not his fault we played him out of position. At PF, AK was a nightmare for other teams. He was practically Draymond. Imagine how much less valuable Draymond would be if they made him play the 3.

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His emotional volatility may not have reached "cancer" levels but it was detrimental to the team. It affected his play, along with being out of position, and as a result his value compared to his contract tanked and it hurt the Jazz long term. Everyone shares some blame there. Coach, FO and AK.
 
LoPo said:
He wasn't a cancer and its not his fault we played him out of position. At PF, AK was a nightmare for other teams. He was practically Draymond. Imagine how much less valuable Draymond would be if they made him play the 3.

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I cannot allow this ****. Dray is who he is for a ****ing reason, and that's because he's tough and is rock solid on his fundamentals.

AK was a supremely talented, soft as ****, aloof jackass that didn't care about fundamentals. You could play Dray as a 3 today or any day, you couldn't play AK as a 4 because he was too weak and he wasn't good as a 3 because he couldn't shoot.

There is no comparison to the two other than they play in the NBA. One is one of the most versatile players to ever live, one of the foundations of one of the great NBA teams constructed, and takes what's given; the other was mostly just an insanely talented weirdo that could only produce when fed possessions and coddled on losing basketball teams.
 
Draymond would lose almost all of his value if he played at SF. His versatility would be negated and wasted. There isnt a game in the last three finals where Draymond played SF for a reason.

AK is almost exactly the same. He was a unicorn at PF and hurt us at SF.

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LoPo said:
Draymond would lose almost all of his value if he played at SF. His versatility would be negated and wasted. There isnt a game in the last three finals where Draymond played SF for a reason.

AK is almost exactly the same. He was a unicorn at PF and hurt us at SF.

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Prime AK < Favors at the 4.

I think you are living in a what he could have done dream in a world where AK wasn't weak. Dude didn't train and was too fragile mentally and physically.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Prime AK < Favors at the 4.

I think you are living in a what he could have done dream in a world where AK wasn't weak. Dude didn't train and was too fragile mentally and physically.
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This is the crux of the issue, which is met with a lot of excuses, rationalization, and justification.

“Well Deron.....”
“But Jerry....”
“KOC...”
 
I respect you RM, but saying prime AK wasn't as good as prime Favors at PF is the most ignorant BS I have seen on this site in a while.

Favors has never been more than a decent starter. He has never earned a big payday. He has never dominated. He has never made us a winner. He has never scared opponents.

Quit drinking the Favors koolaid.

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