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Rudy Gobert will retire as the greatest Jazzman ever.

veji1 said:
I don't think you understood what I said. Even if in theory he could improve his shot to the point where etc, it would still not be worth it because 1/ he brings so much more rolling ot the rim and 2/ a 3pt shot is better than a 10 footer from a center not shooting that well.

And sure it's never too old to improve your shot... But he isn't a 20 years old who could still massively improve his shot. he is nearing 25 and if not a complete product yet, odds are he won't change radically in the future.

Ergo rather than hoping he adds something hypothetical and actually not that essential, my main wish is for him to keep playing the way he does for a longt time, ie stay healthy.

Do you see what I mean ?
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And there are plenty of players who improve their shot post-25. No one is a finished product, especially not great players, at age 25. Look at how big of a FT jump he took this year.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
50% from 10 feet is super good though. I dont think you understand that. I'm not sure if there is any NBA player in the league shooting 50% from 10 feet. That would be 10000000% worth it if he could do that.
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Can you look again at my original message.. there is that tidbit where I say "if left thoroughly open"... We aren't talking fadeaway Dirk in traffic here... Anyway my point overall isn't that he can't improve, rather that fantasizing about him developping a real shot is just that.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
50% from 10 feet is super good though. I dont think you understand that. I'm not sure if there is any NBA player in the league shooting 50% from 10 feet. That would be 10000000% worth it if he could do that.
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He did say 50% on wide open 10 footers.

I think many players could do that.
 
veji1 said:
Can you look again at my original message.. there is that tidbit where I say "if left thoroughly open"... We aren't talking fadeaway Dirk in traffic here... Anyway my point overall isn't that he can't improve, rather that fantasizing about him developping a real shot is just that.
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A lot of players are given open 10 foot shots. That is what Favors has gotten really good at on his half rolls. Players can get open shots from 10 feet fairly reliably especially when they are known as dunkers.
 
♪alt13 said:
If Rudy is wide open from 10 feet I would hope that he would take a step and dunk.
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There is probably a defender between him and the rim. We have seen what happens to Gobert when he tries to go up in traffic if he can't dunk it. It's good to at least be a threat at 10 feet so the defender has to respect the shot.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
A lot of players are given open 10 foot shots. That is what Favors has gotten really good at on his half rolls. Players can get open shots from 10 feet fairly reliably especially when they are known as dunkers.
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Yes but if ou shoot 50% on wide open 10 footers :
1/ you are not good at them.
2/ it's not a winning proposition for the team, a 3pt attempt at 34% or better is better and so would of course that the gigantic Gobert try to get a bit nearer for a baby hook or lay up or dunk...

my overall point ! Gobert shooting 10 footers is both unlikely and probably not really something that we need. him doing what he does is actually a lot better.
 
veji1 said:
Yes but if ou shoot 50% on wide open 10 footers :
1/ you are not good at them.
2/ it's not a winning proposition for the team, a 3pt attempt at 34% or better is better and so would of course that the gigantic Gobert try to get a bit nearer for a baby hook or lay up or dunk...

my overall point ! Gobert shooting 10 footers is both unlikely and probably not really something that we need. him doing what he does is actually a lot better.
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Go look up open 10' percentage, they arent as easy as you think.

My point: being able to hit an open 10 foot shot makes you much more dangerous. Teams have to defend it and cant just play you for a dunk or contested hook shot.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Go look up open 10' percentage, they arent as easy as you think.
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The point isn't that they should be easy, the point is that they suck.... Why would we want Gobert to invest in a skill that sucks ? sorry to put it bluntly but I'd rather he became even more adept at the rim and stayed healthy...
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
There is probably a defender between him and the rim. We have seen what happens to Gobert when he tries to go up in traffic if he can't dunk it. It's good to at least be a threat at 10 feet so the defender has to respect the shot.
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No that happens when defenses put a body on him away from the basket. When he has a step he's a monster.
 
https://3ball.io/plays/rudy gobert jump shot?playId=0021600600_53

For instance on this play. If he can develop a reliable jump shot from the area where he receives the pass then that is extremely valuable. To argue otherwise is ridiculous. If players have to actually contest that, then he can use the handle to get by defenders or make more passes. It would really open up his game and is nothing ridiculous to expect from him in the future.
 
veji1 said:
The point isn't that they should be easy, the point is that they suck.... Why would we want Gobert to invest in a skill that sucks ? sorry to put it bluntly but I'd rather he became even more adept at the rim and stayed healthy...
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It isn't the greatest shot, but it's a shot that is a valuable skill in an arsenal.

It's kind of like a midrange jump shot for perimeter players. Yes, they aren't great shots, but you have to prove you can hit them so your defenders has to play you 100% of the time. It opens up your game for the higher percentage shots and the game for your teammates.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
https://3ball.io/plays/rudy gobert jump shot?playId=0021600600_53

For instance on this play. If he can develop a reliable jump shot from the area where he receives the pass then that is extremely valuable. To argue otherwise is ridiculous. If players have to actually contest that, then he can use the handle to get by defenders or make more passes. It would really open up his game and is nothing ridiculous to expect from him in the future.
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Ok so now we're talking about a 15 footer. Yeah if he can't get close without a dribble he's probably gunna miss.
 
I'm really amazed at these opinions. Gobert is a workhorse, he is going to try and develop these skills, I guarantee it. He has already shown a willingness to take runners and floaters from a distance, set shots will come.
 
♪alt13 said:
Ok so now we're talking about a 15 footer. Yeah if he can't get close without a dribble he's probably gunna miss.
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He had a jump shot vs the Suns on December 6th that perfectly encapsulated the usefulness of the shot but 3ball site's is under going maintenance and I cant look back that far.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He had a jump shot vs the Suns on December 6th that perfectly encapsulated the usefulness of the shot but 3ball site's is under going maintenance and I cant look back that far.
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It would be nice because he would make some of those. It would make him more dangerous but it wouldn't open up much for him. Rudy is so insanely good around the rim that any shot that he takes outside is a win for the defense. There will be times when the defense manages to do that(or he receives a misplaced pass) so he needs to be able to make the shot for the sake of the points.
Unless he can make that shot at the high 70% clip that he makes shots around the rim then no way am I pulling my big out.
He will start making that shot at a decent percentage and teams will still be too afraid of him at The Rim to do much about it.
 
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