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Rudy Gobert will retire as the greatest Jazzman ever.

♪alt13 said:
It would be nice because he would make some of those. It would make him more dangerous but it wouldn't open up much for him. Rudy is so insanely good around the rim that any shot that he takes outside is a win for the defense. There will be times when the defense manages to do that(or he receives a misplaced pass) so he needs to be able to make the shot for the sake of the points.
Unless he can make that shot at the high 70% clip that he makes shots around the rim then no way am I pulling my big out.
He will start making that shot at a decent percentage and teams will still be too afraid of him at The Rim to do much about it.
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Rudy is good around the rim finishing when he can get up and extended before receiving contact, but we have all seen when he goes into the chest of the defenders he loses control and throws up some wild shots. A shot will get those defenders to make more decisions and get them off balance so Gobert can attack better.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
I'd put Boozer on the bench. Millsap ended up having the better career once he left, but as far as Jazz only careers go, Boozer was way better.
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I'm going for the best, most balanced and complementary squad. Those are the 8 I roll with.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Boozer was an all-star though. Yeah his defense kind of sucked, but that wouldnt matter as much as a backup.
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Going for a balanced, complementary squad. I've already got scoring off the bench. What does Boozer bring that I don't already have?
 
Who knew he'd get this good this fast. When you look at his stats and all the statistical categories he leads in (already well chronicled) it would be hard to argue that he's not the best center in the NBA right now. What sets him apart though is his competitive nature that has him playing night in and night out, through minor injury when others are taking the night off. He and Hayward are our iron men in that regard. But there's more to it than just showing up, this guy just hates to lose and will go to any extent to win. Had to love that human shield he put on Willie Cauley Stein as MCS went into freight train mode for the monster dunk which Gobert stifled. Then he gets into people's heads - anybody notice Collison give him a payback shove about midway through the game after the buzzer?

Then the following night he gets 15 points and 15 boards while outplaying both Davis and Cousins. "(Gobert) is just competive" coach Quin Snyder said, 'He's not afraid of the moment. He's not going to shy away from anything. His competitiveness and his gusto. His verve. Whatever you want to call it, he's got it.'' Then there's this comment from Gobert regarding Davis and Cuz, ''Those guys played in the All-Star Game and stuff like that. It's always fun to play those guys. ... They're great players. I wasn't an All-Star, so I'm not as great. I feed off everything.'' He just hates the fact that he was snubbed when he obviously deserved to be in and is going to make people pay for that omission. Gotta love it baby.

Not sure if he's the greatest on paper, quite yet, but he's the greatest on this team and we're damn lucky to have him. Now ask me again in a year or two when he brings us a title.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It isn't the greatest shot, but it's a shot that is a valuable skill in an arsenal.

It's kind of like a midrange jump shot for perimeter players. Yes, they aren't great shots, but you have to prove you can hit them so your defenders has to play you 100% of the time. It opens up your game for the higher percentage shots and the game for your teammates.
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OK, yes all skills are valuable, if Gobert could become a 40% 3pt shooter it would be very valuable as well.. My overall point is about realism/need. Do we need Gobert to developp a jumpshot ? no we can do without even though it would be great. Is it realistic to wish for him to develop a jumpshot ? No, I don't think so.. Sure he can improve, but he is turning 25 at the end of the season and chances are his game won't change that radically.

On the other hand him staying healthy is essential to this team's success.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Rudy is good around the rim finishing when he can get up and extended before receiving contact, but we have all seen when he goes into the chest of the defenders he loses control and throws up some wild shots. A shot will get those defenders to make more decisions and get them off balance so Gobert can attack better.
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No because I can already tell you what decision the defense will make : defend him as before and let him shoot it if he wants to...
 
Stoked said:
IMO this is what he will need to do to be the best Jazzman of all time IMO. Other than that it'll be hard to pass Stockton and Malone.

Gobert is already the best Jazz center ever IMO.
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Cute lil baby boy. You never seen Mark Eaton play did you. Guy has like 8 top ten shot blocking seasons in history an that was when rules an play favoured guys like Moses, Hawkeem, Patrick, an Karl. Eaton would have made Shaw his bitch. But I am in my 60's so what do I know?
 
Boris said:
Cute lil baby boy. You never seen Mark Eaton play did you. Guy has like 8 top ten shot blocking seasons in history an that was when rules an play favoured guys like Moses, Hawkeem, Patrick, an Karl. Eaton would have made Shaw his bitch. But I am in my 60's so what do I know?
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I did and I take Gobert.

Nice attempt at an age insult.
 
str8line said:
What if he leads us(in a big way) to a championship?
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If Rudy leads us to a championship I will love him forever (no homo). But growing up with Stockton and Malone, and watching their accomplishments it's going to be hard for any Jazzman to pass those two. Championship or no championship. Stockton is the greatest point guard of all time. The all time leader in assists and steals. Malone is the greatest power forward of all time. 2 time MVP, second all time in scoring. A championship win doesn't pass them for me. Hell, if not for bull**** in the 98 Finals Stockton and Malone would have brought home a championship.
 
Stoked said:
I did and I take Gobert.

Nice attempt at an age insult.
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You saw Eaton block 4.3 bpg in '84 an a historic 5.6 in '85? Bro, if Eaton was not so much older then the statues then MJ would never exist. Eaton was that good an would tear hearts out in modern NBA game.
 
Gobert is so much better than Eaton. Just isn't close.

Yes, i grew up with and became a Jazz fan watching Eaton every night.
 
He might not beat out Stockton and Malone (he has a LONG way to go before he sniffs hall of fame consideration) but he might retire as the best French basketball player ever. Similar to how Dirk is regarded as the best German player of all time. Genuinely think Gobert can get to that level. Gotta beat out Tony Parker for starters though.
 
I think its interesting how so many people argue about what he can develop, when in the past we wanted him to improve his hands before improving or adding in a shot. Well....his hands look pretty solid now, give him time and I'm sure he will get more efficient on offense, hopefully a hook.

As for greatest jazzman ever? That would be tough but if he can do it, that would be great, because Stock and Malone are elite top players of all time.
He will EASILY retire as the greatest Jazz center tho
 
John Stockton is one of the best point guards of all time. He holds the all-time NBA record for assists and steals. Karl Malone is the 2nd leading scorer of all-time, two-time MVP, 14 time all-star, and 11 time all-NBA first team. This is a small sampling of their many accolades. The two are living legends and are easily in the top 25 of all players who have ever played in the NBA.

I'm not saying you're prediction is definitely going to be wrong. I am saying that he's going to have to have a career rivaling at least David Robinson's or Hakeem Olajuwan's to even be in the discussion. He'll have to have a career similar to Shaq, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, or Wilt Chamberlain in order to be the clear winner.
 
I'm not gonna take anything away from Mark Eaton, I remember watching him as a kid and he changed the game the same way Rudy does. BUT...Eaton played in an era where the 3 point shot was a novelty and the league was still a "paint-centric"/inside scoring league. Players were slower, less athletic and not as versatile as the players are now. You didn't have many centers/power forwards with 3 point range back then. Eaton wasn't athletic at all and was slow as molasses, but so were most of the other big men back then, which allowed him utilize his length/mass to his advantage and lock down the paint. Eaton would struggle in today's game where everyone can shoot from 3 and a lot of bigs have guard-like ball handling skills. Rudy is long like Eaton but also has the athleticism to still guard the quicker bigs in the league. If Rudy played in the 80's he probably would have put up the same (or better) insane block shot numbers Eaton did.
 
Everyone is debating Eaton vs Rudy for greatest Jazz center. But nobody is showing Memo any love. I got you Memo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb-np8ZyKOc
 
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