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Rumor: Jazz and DeMarcus Cousins

silesian said:
Simplistic single factor analysis.

Not picking on LazyD, but there is so much sloppy thinking that goes into this argument.

Define "star" How many are in the league today? If a best player wins a title, he often then is called a "star" If he does not, then he is dubbed to be not a star. So there is some ex post facto stuff going on here.
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Simple factor single analysis or whatever...if it's the most important factor then it doesn't matter what it is

Can't define 'star' with anyone on the Jazz for sure. Cousins is far more likely to be. Not only is he a 2 time Allstar, but he averaged 7 points more than the Jazz leading scorer last season, grabbed more rpg than anyone on the Jazz, and assisted more than any Jazz big. 27 ppg and 11.5 rpg is a star and are huge numbers. Certainly foreign numbers to a team like the Jazz who don't even have an Allstar.
 
LazyD said:
Simple factor single analysis or whatever...if it's the most important factor then it doesn't matter what it is

Can't define 'star' with anyone on the Jazz for sure. Cousins is far more likely to be. Not only is he a 2 time Allstar, but he averaged 7 points more than the Jazz leading scorer last season, grabbed more rpg than anyone on the Jazz, and assisted more than any Jazz big. 27 ppg and 11.5 rpg is a star and are huge numbers. Certainly foreign numbers to a team like the Jazz who don't even have an Allstar.
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Yet his team was far worse than the Jazz who also had far more missed games to injury than the kings. If having a star is the most important factor shouldn't the Kings have been better than the Jazz? After all they had a "star" and the jazz didn't.
 
gregbroncs said:
Yet his team was far worse than the Jazz who also had far more missed games to injury than the kings. If having a star is the most important factor shouldn't the Kings have been better than the Jazz? After all they had a "star" and the jazz didn't.
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This.

I have been saying for a long time they the jazz should do anything and everything to get a star. its a very important ingredient to a championship.... But you can be a very very good team without a star.

And you can be a very crappy team even with a star.

Prefect examples are Sacramento kings and this season's utah jazz.
 
LazyD said:
Simple factor single analysis or whatever...if it's the most important factor then it doesn't matter what it is

Can't define 'star' with anyone on the Jazz for sure. Cousins is far more likely to be. Not only is he a 2 time Allstar, but he averaged 7 points more than the Jazz leading scorer last season, grabbed more rpg than anyone on the Jazz, and assisted more than any Jazz big. 27 ppg and 11.5 rpg is a star and are huge numbers. Certainly foreign numbers to a team like the Jazz who don't even have an Allstar.
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Efficiency matters too. Cousins is not very efficient. 45% from the field for a center is not good. Hayward has a better efg% than cousins.

If Hayward took 5.5 more shots per game (same as cousins) then I think he could average about the same amount of points per game as boogie.
 
gregbroncs said:
Yet his team was far worse than the Jazz who also had far more missed games to injury than the kings. If having a star is the most important factor shouldn't the Kings have been better than the Jazz? After all they had a "star" and the jazz didn't.
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The Kings are far worse than the team that finished just one spot ahead of them in the standings? Far worse than the team they took 2 out of 3 from last season? Speaking of injuries... the Jazz also didn't have an allstar like Cousins missing games - he only played in 65 games last season for the Kings. Can 'imagine if' for any team.
 
fishonjazz said:
Efficiency matters too. Cousins is not very efficient. 45% from the field for a center is not good. Hayward has a better efg% than cousins.

If Hayward took 5.5 more shots per game (same as cousins) then I think he could average about the same amount of points per game as boogie.
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45% field goal is better than Hayward. Not to mention he is pretty close to his 3P% too. Another offseason of improvement, more attempts, and it's possible he could become a bigger threat from long range than Hayward. He is nearly as effective assisting people as Hayward - and that's coming from a center. Naturally, he grabs way more rebounds and blocks way more shots.

If Hayward could average all those points then why doesn't he? He's certainly not assisting at a much higher rate than Boogie. Is he too busy deferring in the clutch time to get those numbers? To me, that just shows that Boogie wants it and has that killer instinct that Hayward lacks.
 
LazyD said:
45% field goal is better than Hayward.
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you don't really understand basketball that much do you. 45% is good for a center ?

You do realise the Jazz played waaaaayyy slower pace than the Kings ? And that statistically Hayward is reasonably good in the clutch ? And that Haywards role isn't the same as Cousins ... do you actually watch games or just look up stats ??
 
DownUnder said:
you don't really understand basketball that much do you. 45% is good for a center ?

You do realise the Jazz played waaaaayyy slower pace than the Kings ? And that statistically Hayward is reasonably good in the clutch ? And that Haywards role isn't the same as Cousins ... do you actually watch games or just look up stats ??
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I watch the all the games. That's how I know that Cousins is a star and far better than anyone on the Jazz and they should do whatever it takes to get him on the team.

Do you really understand basketball? Do you actually watch games? Do you know that all centers are not the same? 45% would suck for someone with no offense like Gobert, but Cousins is a playmaker for his team. How many centers make more plays and take more shots than him? He doesn't stand there on every possession and wait for a drive and dish or clean up offensive boards for dunks...although he can do all that rudimentary center ish too.
 
LazyD said:
I watch the all the games. That's how I know that Cousins is a star and far better than anyone on the Jazz and they should do whatever it takes to get him on the team.

Do you really understand basketball? Do you actually watch games? Do you know that all centers are not the same? 45% would suck for someone with no offense like Gobert, but Cousins is a playmaker for his team. How many centers make more plays and take more shots than him? He doesn't stand there on every possession and wait for a drive and dish or clean up offensive boards for dunks...although he can do all that rudimentary center ish too.
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yes i do watch many games, the majority of which i've seen him play feature ill disciplined shots, frequent lazy effort when he doesn't feel like it, constant standing around pouting at refs at teammates. He still does take a lot of shots at or near the rim which should result in a better FG % than 45 % If he had half a brain he'd be almost unstoppable.
 
Look. All you ****ing ******* need to stand down and tip your hat.
Lazy ate your gf's lunch. Deal with it and move on to an argument you can win against a dumber opponent.
 
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DownUnder said:
yes i do watch many games, the majority of which i've seen him play feature ill disciplined shots, frequent lazy effort when he doesn't feel like it, constant standing around pouting at refs at teammates. He still does take a lot of shots at or near the rim which should result in a better FG % than 45 % If he had half a brain he'd be almost unstoppable.
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That must have been the Allstar game when you watched him. Most of the players play lazy and undisciplined in that one.

I'm sure you must have also watched him play your favorite team three times last season:
Game 1 - 23 points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists
Game 2 - 36 points, 17 rebounds, 21 FTA!!!
Game 3 - 31 points, 10 rebounds, 5 assists

So if he gets 'half a brain' he puts up 50 and 20? Seems like he's pretty unstoppable already.
 
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