Rumor: Ronnie Turiaf in SLC

[mellow]

Ya'll are reading into to this way too much. Turiaf's heart condition is well documented. He probably came here to go to the world renowned Uof U Hospital, they are pioneers in heart medicine.

If he had another condition, say his eyes or something, he could've gone to a hospital in LA, SF or NY, but those places are known for being good on the eyes, and Utah is known for being good for your heart.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

If he had another condition, say his eyes or something, he could've gone to a hospital in LA, SF or NY,

you forgot Miami. good eye doctors down there too, apparently.

 

[Revolution 9]

Turiaf isn't coming here, but he'd be welcome if he was.
I love the way he plays the game. Boozer was all lip with his "and 1" passion play.
Turiaf really plays hard.

 

[infection]

Ya'll are reading into to this way too much. Turiaf's heart condition is well documented. He probably came here to go to the world renowned Uof U Hospital, they are pioneers in heart medicine.

If he had another condition, say his eyes or something, he could've gone to a hospital in LA, SF or NY, but those places are known for being good on the eyes, and Utah is known for being good for your heart.

It's funny how, despite it being generally good quality, people seem to think that the medical school at the U is one of the most well-regarded on the planet, on whatever issue it is that's being discussed.

 

[YB85]

It's funny how, despite it being generally good quality, people seem to think that the medical school at the U is one of the most well-regarded on the planet, on whatever issue it is that's being discussed.

I had a different interpretation of Mellow's post.

 

[InGameStrategy]

Turiaf blocks far more shots per-minute than Fes. in fact, he is better at everything, per-minute or otherwise, than Fes.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fesenky01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/turiaro01.html

Blocks "far more shots"? You mean 2.2 vs. 1.7? Maybe you have a different definition of "far".

Oh, and yeah, Turiaf was better at everything last season--except for points scored and rebounds << rolleyes >>.
(Inference: if you think that Fesenko doesn't contribute much on offense, imagine Turiaf who brought less than that last year and had about the same contribution over his career. In both cases, though, it could have a lot to do with the number of touches. Both have had high FG% and low FT%. And it's possible that the Jazz teammates would find more touches for Turiaf than a run-and-gun GSW team would.)

Even I, one of the few Fesenko backers, am open to landing (trading for) Turiaf over KF. What adds some small satisfaction is that Turiaf used to be a Jazzman, just like Bell spurned the Staples Center. But I'm concerned about the less height that Turiaf brings.)

What Sloan has not appreciated over the past couple of seasons or so the impact of deterring opponents entering the paint--something that playing Boozer at center along Millsap did not accomplish.

What's promising about this year is that Millsap + Jefferson is likely to be a significant improvement over Millsap + Boozer without a big sacrifice on offense, if any.

A convincing defensive presence such as Fes or Turiaf or maybe Amundson, though, is important when Utah really needs to shore up the paint.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

It's funny how, despite it being generally good quality, people seem to think that the medical school at the U is one of the most well-regarded on the planet, on whatever issue it is that's being discussed.

You should make a list of myths concerning the University of Utah's medical facilities.

 

[infection]

You should make a list of myths concerning the University of Utah's medical facilities.

1. Regarding Fisher's daughter: "But the University of Utah has some of the most world-renowned doctors."
2. Regarding anyone who gets an injury: "He'll have access to some of the best doctors in the country."
3. Regarding obtaining some gimp with health problems: "Plus, if he comes here his condition will improve with the close location to the doctors at the U."

This is an accumulation of many years and obviously a bit of hyperbole, but it does happen to come up from time to time. It doesn't really matter and I've given it too much attention.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

Blocks "far more shots"? You mean 2.2 vs. 1.7? Maybe you have a different definition of "far".

adjust Fesenko's minutes up to what Turiaf has played over the past 3 seasons, and the difference in total blocks between the two players is about 100.

Oh, and yeah, Turiaf was better at everything last season--except for points scored and rebounds << rolleyes >>.

why are you limiting the comparison to last season only?

 

[InGameStrategy]

adjust Fesenko's minutes up to what Turiaf has played over the past 3 seasons, and the difference in total blocks between the two players is about 100.

You adjust Fesenko's minutes up to what Turiaf has played over the past 3 seasons, and Fesenko will likely also have increased his blocks rate and/or his ability to control the paint << rolleyes >>.

why are you limiting the comparison to last season only?

Um, because the latest season is generally the most relevant, especially given that Fesenko is a young player, has received as many minutes in 3 years as Ostertag got in his first year, and has had far fewer overall minutes than Turiaf has had << sigh >>.

If you want to look on an apples-to-apples basis in terms of development, then you can take a weighted average of Turiaf's first two seasons (weighting them to be equal to 633 minutes) and compare them to Fes's three seasons and see how far away they are. What I think that you'll discover is that they are not altogether too far off. Both can block some shots, both have a high FG% (when given an opportunity), both are OK (not great) rebounders. What will be interesting is if Fes ends up being less experienced than Turiaf (not that we are sure that Turiaf is even available or that the Jazz are seriously considering him).

 

[Lakers_Slapper]

im convinced that the Utah Jazz will not stop untill we have a 15 man roster of guys that are 6"8-7"1. Oh and Deron

 

[YB85]

Um, because the latest season is generally the most relevant, especially given that Fesenko is a young player, has received as many minutes in 3 years as Ostertag got in his first year, and has had far fewer overall minutes than Turiaf has had << sigh >>.

And why has he played so few minutes in 3 years? <<sigh>> <<rolls eyes>> <<puke>> <<high fives self>>

 

[Coach Nissalke]

Thought I would dig this one out of the archives for this thread...

 

[InGameStrategy]

And why has he played so few minutes in 3 years? <<sigh>> <<rolls eyes>> <<puke>> <<high fives self>>

Because
(1) Sloan preferred an undersized second lineup of Millsap+Boozer, even though it has been ineffective for years against the Lakers (and even against Denver when they have a legit head coach) plus a few other teams;
(2) Sloan made no effort whatsoever to develop a either or both of the bigs, even though it was blatantly clear that Okur was slower now, exacerbating the negative impact of (1); and
(3) Sloan was not aware of the team impact of having Fesenko on the court and instead focused on the allure of having a so-so-defending starting center who can shoot treys (even though few champions, if any, have had such a component, while most of them have had a defensive big or two) and giving extra minutes to an undersized PF who "plays hard" but was still able to develop with 5 MPG or so less.

<< high fives self but preferring better in-game strategy by the coaching staff >>

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

It's funny how, despite it being generally good quality, people seem to think that the medical school at the U is one of the most well-regarded on the planet, on whatever issue it is that's being discussed.

To support infection's comments, Ronald Reagan in LA is ranked by US News as the 8th best "heart hospital" in the country. Cedars-Sanai in LA is 15th. Stanford's is 16th and so on. The U of U's?

University of Utah Health Care
Salt Lake City, UT

Reputation with physicians
None
Level of nurse staffing
Low
Survival
As expected
Hospital type: General medical and surgical
Number of beds: 567
Ranked #45 in Pulmonology
Ranked #49 in Ear, Nose & Throat

So um, yeah, they're not even ranked as far as heart and heart surgery care go.

Just saying.

 

[VINYLONE]

To support infection's comments, Ronald Reagan in LA is ranked by US News as the 8th best "heart hospital" in the country. Cedars-Sanai in LA is 15th. Stanford's is 16th and so on. The U of U's?

University of Utah Health Care
Salt Lake City, UT

Reputation with physicians
None
Level of nurse staffing
Low
Survival
As expected
Hospital type: General medical and surgical
Number of beds: 567
Ranked #45 in Pulmonology
Ranked #49 in Ear, Nose & Throat

So um, yeah, they're not even ranked as far as heart and heart surgery care go.

Just saying.

In all honesty, name one thing that when people mention it, people think of the state of Utahr immediately....and I don't mean the obvious stuff, like religion, Mormans, conservatives, republicans, meth, white people, racism, etc.

 

[G-O-A-T]

In all honesty, name one thing that when people mention it, people think of the state of Utahr immediately....and I don't mean the obvious stuff, like religion, Mormans, conservatives, republicans, meth, white people, racism, etc.

The Jazz (not the music kind), Sundance, 3% beer, Gary Coleman? Skiing? Zions / other parks down south? Winter Olympics... Utah isn't THAT crappy of a state. BTW, what's with the r in Utahr?

 

[infection]

Could be an individual specialist that he came to see. Whatever the case, I'm all for the Jazz filling up the last roster spots with guys that will put a body on somebody.

Yes, perhaps. Other considerations include:

-He's a big Wilford Brimley fan and won a free lunch with him by being the 9th caller to his favorite radio station.
-He's looking to invest in a New York-based hot dog stand chain that's considering opening up on temple square.
-After hearing about his minister's amazing trip to the Middle-east and his subsequent floatation in the Dead Sea, he couldn't wait to try it himself. Unfortunately due to time constraints, he had to settle for the Great Salt Lake instead.
-Being a Gonzaga alumnus, he could have developed a strong bond with Stockton's son and came out to visit him at Westminster.
-Being a huge Angels fan (having lived in L.A.), he didn't want to miss their AAA team, the Salt Lake Bees, play their annual Pioneer day game with fireworks.
-He was here to purchase property and become a resident in order to qualify to run this November on the Tea Party ticket.

All very plausible explanations as to why some person posting anonymously online would have seen him in Salt Lake.

 

[Stifle Tower]

In all honesty, name one thing that when people mention it, people think of the state of Utahr immediately....and I don't mean the obvious stuff, like religion, Mormans, conservatives, republicans, meth, white people, racism, etc.

Brine flies.

 

[theNBAnerd]

i love this particular jazzfanz phenomenon. we pick a guy who is "tough" and "hard-nosed" and "plays hard" and we talk about how perfect he would be here. turiaf just isn't that good, guys.

jefferson > turiaf
sap > turiaf
memo > turiaf

so why pick up a guy who isn't even good enough to crack our 3-man big rotation? turiaf > fes, but that doesn't take into account that 1) fes is bigger, 2) we've already invested a lot in fes, and 3) fes is cheaper.