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Bawse Dawg

Bawse Dawg

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Not going to have any great new insight here, but I've been thinking about it the last few days and I really think it's the way to go.

I'm no cap savant, but I do know that it is way easier to keep our own player than to sign new ones. So it's not a 1:1 to offer Lowry the same amount as Hill, and it's not crazy to match an Ingles contract. I say **** it. If the Hill and Hayward are willing to stay I say we make it happen.

We won't be better than the Warriors, but you really want to go back to the tank after we just got out of it? We could easily be a top 3 team in the West next year with another year of growth, and more injury luck.


-We know Hood can be better
-Favors can't really be LESS healthy, maybe he goes back to being really solid
-Hayward has gotten better every year, why not again?
-Rudy could take another big leap
-Burks, I mean I've basically given up on him. But he can't be worse.
-Lyles, who knows.
And Dante, maybe we finally see a special season from him. And can get excited about his future.


That's a damn good team with so much potential to get better. And I think you could get Hayward to buy into it. We also have two first round picks, maybe we fall in love with a player in the Kawhi range and give both our picks plus Hood to get him, taking a chance at getting another star.

The absolute worst case scenario running it back with a big three of Hill Hayward and Gobert is the season we just had. And this season was great after so much losing, sign me up.

I understand wanting to go into hibernation and try to contend in five years, but that just sounds ****ing awful to me, after we just went through it. No we won't be 'better' than the Warriors, but **** can happen in five years. The Mavs just kept on running it back, and eventually struck gold. It could happen with us too. And if not we still good a really good stretch of basketball.
 
To me, this isn't even a question. Injuries kept us from being a 60 win team this year.

This is a really good team DL has put together. You don't break it up simply because of what's going on in Oakland at the moment. Winning championships ALWAYS involves some luck on top of building a really good team. Utah has the really good team part down, and now it's time to ride that bitch for as far as we can.

May the basketball Gods light our way.
 
What if Favors was 100%?
What if Burks was 100%?
What if Hood was 100%?
What if Hill was 100%?

If we had a fully healthy squad we'd probably still be fighting with Golden State. I say do it. Make a few tweaks, maybe try and trade up in the draft and Lonzo Ball falls into our laps. That name being said around here is probably like nails on a chalkboard but the kid isn't the problem, his dad is. Therefor his value may drop to where we can pry him away.
 
Don't forget Favors being healthy could be huge .. even on one leg he was very much a part of us winning a couple of the clipper games
 
The Fresh Prince said:
What if Favors was 100%?
What if Burks was 100%?
What if Hood was 100%?
What if Hill was 100%?

If we had a fully healthy squad we'd probably still be fighting with Golden State. I say do it. Make a few tweaks, maybe try and trade up in the draft and Lonzo Ball falls into our laps. That name being said around here is probably like nails on a chalkboard but the kid isn't the problem, his dad is. Therefor his value may drop to where we can pry him away.
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Ball seems pretty locked in at top 3 maybe top 2. I could be wrong though.
 
The Fresh Prince said:
If we had a fully healthy squad we'd probably still be fighting with Golden State.
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Except that if we had been fully healthy - hell, if we had only had average injuries - we would have been #2 or #2 seed, and wouldn't have started playing the Warriors yet.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Not going to have any great new insight here, but I've been thinking about it the last few days and I really think it's the way to go.

I'm no cap savant, but I do know that it is way easier to keep our own player than to sign new ones. So it's not a 1:1 to offer Lowry the same amount as Hill, and it's not crazy to match an Ingles contract. I say **** it. If the Hill and Hayward are willing to stay I say we make it happen.

We won't be better than the Warriors, but you really want to go back to the tank after we just got out of it? We could easily be a top 3 team in the West next year with another year of growth, and more injury luck.


-We know Hood can be better
-Favors can't really be LESS healthy, maybe he goes back to being really solid
-Hayward has gotten better every year, why not again?
-Rudy could take another big leap
-Burks, I mean I've basically given up on him. But he can't be worse.
-Lyles, who knows.
And Dante, maybe we finally see a special season from him. And can get excited about his future.


That's a damn good team with so much potential to get better. And I think you could get Hayward to buy into it. We also have two first round picks, maybe we fall in love with a player in the Kawhi range and give both our picks plus Hood to get him, taking a chance at getting another star.

The absolute worst case scenario running it back with a big three of Hill Hayward and Gobert is the season we just had. And this season was great after so much losing, sign me up.

I understand wanting to go into hibernation and try to contend in five years, but that just sounds ****ing awful to me, after we just went through it. No we won't be 'better' than the Warriors, but **** can happen in five years. The Mavs just kept on running it back, and eventually struck gold. It could happen with us too. And if not we still good a really good stretch of basketball.
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in practice if their are no major injuries, aka long term missing 2 or more starters, like last year. assuming gobert and hayward play majority of the year. and internal growth from gobert and exum for example

we could challenge spurs and rockets for the 2nd SEED! which is a major improvement. winning 60 games and avoiding gsw until the wcf. we could then face them and win a game or 2.

who knows what happens next offseason if we could get our hand on another star
 
Lots of whatifs but good points that for this season Jazz could have been better.
That they could have been more competitive in the playoffs.

Now given what happened - 5th seed, second round sweep - there's a big possibility that Jazz could get at least the 3rd seed.
The question now is with a healthy Hill (and Favors) could the Jazz win a 7-game series with either Warriors or Spurs.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Not going to have any great new insight here, but I've been thinking about it the last few days and I really think it's the way to go.

I'm no cap savant, but I do know that it is way easier to keep our own player than to sign new ones. So it's not a 1:1 to offer Lowry the same amount as Hill, and it's not crazy to match an Ingles contract. I say **** it. If the Hill and Hayward are willing to stay I say we make it happen.

We won't be better than the Warriors, but you really want to go back to the tank after we just got out of it? We could easily be a top 3 team in the West next year with another year of growth, and more injury luck.


-We know Hood can be better
-Favors can't really be LESS healthy, maybe he goes back to being really solid
-Hayward has gotten better every year, why not again?
-Rudy could take another big leap
-Burks, I mean I've basically given up on him. But he can't be worse.
-Lyles, who knows.
And Dante, maybe we finally see a special season from him. And can get excited about his future.


That's a damn good team with so much potential to get better. And I think you could get Hayward to buy into it. We also have two first round picks, maybe we fall in love with a player in the Kawhi range and give both our picks plus Hood to get him, taking a chance at getting another star.

The absolute worst case scenario running it back with a big three of Hill Hayward and Gobert is the season we just had. And this season was great after so much losing, sign me up.

I understand wanting to go into hibernation and try to contend in five years, but that just sounds ****ing awful to me, after we just went through it. No we won't be 'better' than the Warriors, but **** can happen in five years. The Mavs just kept on running it back, and eventually struck gold. It could happen with us too. And if not we still good a really good stretch of basketball.
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Preaching to the choir bro. Been saying this since the season ended.
 
20 wins, 30 wins, 40 wins, 50 wins, and next year 60 wins.

Sounds good to me.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Not going to have any great new insight here, but I've been thinking about it the last few days and I really think it's the way to go.

I'm no cap savant, but I do know that it is way easier to keep our own player than to sign new ones. So it's not a 1:1 to offer Lowry the same amount as Hill, and it's not crazy to match an Ingles contract. I say **** it. If the Hill and Hayward are willing to stay I say we make it happen.

We won't be better than the Warriors, but you really want to go back to the tank after we just got out of it? We could easily be a top 3 team in the West next year with another year of growth, and more injury luck.


-We know Hood can be better
-Favors can't really be LESS healthy, maybe he goes back to being really solid
-Hayward has gotten better every year, why not again?
-Rudy could take another big leap
-Burks, I mean I've basically given up on him. But he can't be worse.
-Lyles, who knows.
And Dante, maybe we finally see a special season from him. And can get excited about his future.


That's a damn good team with so much potential to get better. And I think you could get Hayward to buy into it. We also have two first round picks, maybe we fall in love with a player in the Kawhi range and give both our picks plus Hood to get him, taking a chance at getting another star.

The absolute worst case scenario running it back with a big three of Hill Hayward and Gobert is the season we just had. And this season was great after so much losing, sign me up.

I understand wanting to go into hibernation and try to contend in five years, but that just sounds ****ing awful to me, after we just went through it. No we won't be 'better' than the Warriors, but **** can happen in five years. The Mavs just kept on running it back, and eventually struck gold. It could happen with us too. And if not we still good a really good stretch of basketball.
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Agreed. Plus we have two 1st rounders, two 2nd rounders, Bolomboy could emerge, AND we have two more 1sts next year. If all these picks can produce one more starter caliber player, we are looking ****ing good and can take down the Dubs in two years. Maybe three.
 
Burks has to go if we keep all three of Hill, Hayward and Ingles. Diaw won't be traded unless we're getting something decent in return as part of a larger deal because we cannot afford to take back salary. Even though he doesn't make much, I'm open to moving Lyles for future considerations.

Ideally, if we didn't have to worry about hitting the luxury tax, I'd love to move Burks and Lyles for Tyson Chandler.
 
The Fresh Prince said:
What if Favors was 100%?
What if Burks was 100%?
What if Hood was 100%?
What if Hill was 100%?

If we had a fully healthy squad we'd probably still be fighting with Golden State. I say do it. Make a few tweaks, maybe try and trade up in the draft and Lonzo Ball falls into our laps. That name being said around here is probably like nails on a chalkboard but the kid isn't the problem, his dad is. Therefor his value may drop to where we can pry him away.
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GSW is head and heals above the Jazz. It's not close. If that's what you want to root for then that's what you want.
 
franklin said:
GSW is head and heals above the Jazz. It's not close. If that's what you want to root for then that's what you want.
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Now that the players have developed, we just need to bring Corbin back and we can take them out in 6-7 games.
 
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