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Sanders is much better than Hayward

I am a firm supporter of the right to be forgotten movement. This was not my best thread. Wish it could be forgotten. At the time Hayward was drafted i really wanted paul george. I thought hayward would bust. For a long time i argued that several people drafted after hayward would be better than hayward i was wrong. Now lets delete this thread forever.
 
oldtimer said:
I am a firm supporter of the right to be forgotten movement. This was not my best thread. Wish it could be forgotten. At the time Hayward was drafted i really wanted paul george. I thought hayward would bust. For a long time i argued that several people drafted after hayward would be better than hayward i was wrong. Now lets delete this thread forever.
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Looks like you were arguing for Larry Sanders (not Paul George) at the beginning of this thread. Whew. Dodged a bullet there.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Better watch those games again, son.
Hayward shot 62% from the field (13-21). And he was very aggressive going after rebounds and loose balls. With Sundiata "Ballhog" Gaines, it's a wonder anyone else got any touches. Hayward had ONE bad game. IMO, Gordon was one of the few looking to run any semblance of the Jazz system, coming out to take the ball, passing it quickly, then running over to his spot on the floor.

If by lack of aggression you mean that Gordon didn't chuck up a bunch of shots, then he's guilty as charged. He pretty much only took open shots. But isn't that EXACTLY what we want our players to do? There's a reason Utah is always near the top of the league in terms of FG%. The Jazz try to get the ball inside FIRST, and the wings either cut to the hoop or take high-percentage shots coming off screens.

Granted, he doesn't appear to have great range from the three. But he was deadly coming off the curl. And he has some moves to/around the hoop. He needs to work on his driving skills - at times he was a little out of control. But is any rookie a finished product? Just watch some footage of Turner or Favors. They were terrible.

BTW, our poster boy of last season, Wesley Matthews, shot 35% in summer league. He was a guy who was borderline to be INVITED to training camp.
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Wow...I'm kind of proud of my assessment. I wasn't thrilled about the pick when it happened. And I'll be honest and up front about the "bust" I did want: Xavier Henry. Good thing KOC didn't listen to me!

Looks like WhiteChocolate was also satisfied with the pick. So honz was driving the bus and WC was riding shotgun. I think those were the only two who liked the pick.

Took Hayward a couple more years, but he just might be as good as George right now - in different ways. Maybe this will end up being a toss-up. I think Indiana is making a mistake by turning George into a PF.
 
Jamezz said:
Wow you're amazing Cy. What's your prediction for Lyles your Majesty.
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Probably "best case is a starter who is a borderline all-star and the ultimate role-player." Same as Hood. Same as Exum. Same as next year's first round draft pick and the one after that. And worst case is a backup who lasts a couple of years with Utah and then gets a 2nd chance at a minimum deal with another team before going to Europe or the DLeague.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Looks like you were arguing for Larry Sanders (not Paul George) at the beginning of this thread. Whew. Dodged a bullet there.
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To be fair, Sanders was a beast. Kind of hard to predict he would have mental health issues from purely a fan scouting perspective. He had a year where he was the best rim protector in the league I believe, in terms of FG% allowed around the rim.
 
King Cy said:
All that may be true, but Sanders is a 4, we are stacked with players who can play the 4 on this team. Hayward fills a need and is much better than you give him credit for. Hayward's best case senario as far as his career goes is a starter who is considered a borderline All-Star and the ultimate role-player, which is exactly what we need.
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uhh, wow. Pretty spot on on this one.
 
ncoloradojazz said:
He will be a bench player at most. Maybe a dunleavy if we are lucky. Sanders is ok but id much rather have taken luke babbit. Him and dwill would of been unstopable in the pick and roll game. Babbit will be a better pro then g.h. mark it down
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Sounds like I've heard something like this recently.
 
King Cy said:
Damn, seems I was pretty close with that call. Looks like Hayward may even exceed that though.


Pretty fun thread read if you like seeing ncolorado being ridiculously wrong.
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I only loathe one poster here (and he doesn't deserve to even be mentioned).
 
I have said for years that Cy is good at projecting/evaluating and piss-poor at delivery.
I just wanna be right.
 
King Cy said:
Damn, seems I was pretty close with that call. Looks like Hayward may even exceed that though.


Pretty fun thread read if you like seeing ncolorado being ridiculously wrong.
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Not sure if others posted anything similar, don't really care, wasnt worth the time to read. But King CY, you waited more than 4 years to post an "I told you so" thread? Really? Has boredom got the best of you? Or have you been hanging on to this,waiting and anticipating your move for 4 years? 4 years? Are you trying to resurrect buried cats from your back yard too? I'm deeply concerned for you, beyond basketball. People make mistakes my friend, that's ok. We're human beings and will say stupid things from time to time. But you waited 4 years? LoL. LMFAO!! Good for you!! LOL. Literally laughing out loud. 4 years? You don't think that's creepy? Borderline animal cracker crazy? Good on you bro, date one of your brothers sisters. No wait you hold grudges, date a flamingo or a donkey or an animal of some kind to help you make it through your glory days of yesterday, or 4 years ago.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Not sure if others posted anything similar, don't really care, wasnt worth the time to read. But King CY, you waited more than 4 years to post an "I told you so" thread? Really? Has boredom got the best of you? Or have you been hanging on to this,waiting and anticipating your move for 4 years? 4 years? Are you trying to resurrect buried cats from your back yard too? I'm deeply concerned for you, beyond basketball. People make mistakes my friend, that's ok. We're human beings and will say stupid things from time to time. But you waited 4 years? LoL. LMFAO!! Good for you!! LOL. Literally laughing out loud. 4 years? You don't think that's creepy? Borderline animal cracker crazy? Good on you bro, date one of your brothers sisters. No wait you hold grudges, date a flamingo or a donkey or an animal of some kind to help you make it through your glory days of yesterday, or 4 years ago.
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No, I googled stat prediction within this site and this thread came up.

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oldtimer said:
I am a firm supporter of the right to be forgotten movement. This was not my best thread. Wish it could be forgotten. At the time Hayward was drafted i really wanted paul george. I thought hayward would bust. For a long time i argued that several people drafted after hayward would be better than hayward i was wrong. Now lets delete this thread forever.
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What a fantastic revival of a thread.

Oldy, you were not only wrong, you were fantastically wrong. I never understand why folks are so cocksure when it comes to players and how they will pan out in the NBA. As an oldtimer, have you not learned that in life it's usually better to take a cautious approach when it comes to man and what they are capable of?
 
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