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Science vs. Creationism

Darkwing Duck said:
That's not true. You just read it on the internet.

You need to eyewitness the second largest magazine on Earth today.
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Google means billions and billions of eye witnesses.
 
carolinajazz said:
...not all, but much of it comes from the 2nd largest (printed and circulated) magazine on earth today! Let's see if you can hunt that one down!
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Next you're going to tell us that Jesus was crucified on a telephone pole.
 
Zulu said:
Calcium storage.... The first non vertebrates stored calcium.... The collection of calcium formed some pseudo-skeleton which gave that individual an environmental advantage...

This takes time lots of time.... Just like if you only moved one centimeter a year in one direction.... After a few years it looks like no change has taken place... But if you kept moving that one centimeter each year after a million years you'd be a thousands of kilometers away!!!!
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You really think time is the important factor in accidentally forming a pseudo-skeleton? How about the accidental part?
 
Zulu said:
@pearl...

We have example in life today... Of single cell organisms that will come together for advantageous purposes!!!!

The answers are there.... Just look into them.... You don't have to fear evolution!!

Evolution doesn't kill you Deity it shows his hand!!!

Many (not saying this is you) don't take the time and learn about the theory of evolution and why science says that this looks like how the diversity of life is this way... This isn't some elitist trick to denounce God.... Darwin study theology for crying out loud!!!

I tell this to all my students when I go over evolution.... Sit back and hear what scientist have found and are purposing.... Then make your decision on what you believe!!!

Don't make claims until you've heard both sides !!!
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I can also simultaneously believe in astrology and God but that doesn't make astrology true.

Sorry but a story that relies on accidents and randomness is in sharp contrast to showing "the hand of God," but I don't have a problem with the pseudo-science of Darwinism because I believe in God. I have a problem with it because I believe in science.

Discoveries in molecular biology destroyed Darwin's "gradual, successive, slight modification" story. There is really no science-based place to go from there.
 
carolinajazz said:
...and you know this because.....you were there? Someone told you? You read it on the internet?
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I've read about the evidence in a lot of places, one of which is the internet. The crater is still around, as well. There are multiple typoes of evidence that, together, lead to this conclusion.

carolinajazz said:
Obviously, the Dinosaurs disappeared suddenly, but how is just an educated guess....and not that educated really!
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It doesn't take much education to understand, but a willingness to accept evidence is crucial.
 
One Brow said:
I've read about the evidence in a lot of places, one of which is the internet. The crater is still around, as well. There are multiple typoes of evidence that, together, lead to this conclusion.



It doesn't take much education to understand, but a willingness to accept evidence is crucial.
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...look, how many "different" theories are there amongst palaeontologists as to how the Dinosaurs disappeared....a half a dozen or so, at least? That's all I'm saying. Yes, they disappeared suddenly. That they suddenly appear in the fossil record unconnected to any fossil ancestors, and also disappear without leaving connecting fossil links, is evidence against the view that such animals gradually evolved over millions of years of time. Thus, the fossil record does not support the evolution theory. Instead, it harmonizes with the Bible’s view of creative acts of God.
 
AKMVP said:
Show my eye witness documentation for creationism, lol.
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...the eye witness "documentation" for there being a Creator is clearly seen or evident by the intricate design and complexity of the Universe and all living things on this planet! As scientists and biologists continue their studies in these fields they have to draw one conclusion and one conclusion ONLY! Here's just a small example: Years ago, British mathematician, physicist, and astronomer Sir James Jeans wrote that in the light of advancing scientific knowledge, “the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine.” He also stated that “the universe appears to have been designed by a pure mathematician” and that it provides “evidence of a designing or controlling power that has something in common with our own individual minds.”

Or as the Bible nicely puts it at Romans 1:20 "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable!"

Now, if your struggling with the acceptance of a Creator because of the well-known abuses and corruptions that blacken the history of many religions, that is no sound reason for disbelieving in a Creator! “The excesses and atrocities of organized religion,” says Roy Abraham Varghese in his preface to Antony Flew’s book There Is a God, “have no bearing whatsoever on the existence of God, just as the threat of nuclear proliferation has no bearing on the question of whether E=mc2.”

(how about THAT for "illustrations fit the material?)
 
carolinajazz said:
... That they suddenly appear in the fossil record unconnected to any fossil ancestors, and also disappear without leaving connecting fossil links, is evidence against the view that such animals gradually evolved over millions of years of time.
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Absolute bulls.... Plenty of fossil ancestors of dinosaurs and plenty of even today's living creatures closely related to dinosaurs. I bet you are eating one every day unless you are vegan.
 
carolinajazz said:
...the eye witness "documentation" for there being a Creator is clearly seen or evident by the intricate design and complexity of the Universe and all living things on this planet!
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That's just giving up on not understanding it and blaming it on "higher power". More like loser's mentality then any kind of evidence. Sorry, fail again.
 
An overwhelming majority of the scientific community accepts evolution as the dominant scientific theory of biological diversity. Nearly every scientific society, representing hundreds of thousands of scientists, has issued statements rejecting intelligent design and a petition supporting the teaching of evolutionary biology was endorsed by 72 US Nobel Prize winners. Additionally, US courts have ruled in favor of teaching evolution in science classrooms, and against teaching creationism, in numerous cases such as Edwards v. Aguillard, Hendren v. Campbell, McLean v. Arkansas and Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District.

An expert in the evolution-creationism controversy, professor and author Brian Alters, states that "99.9 percent of scientists accept evolution". The level of support for creationism among relevant scientists is minimal. Only 700 out of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists gave credence to creationism representing about 0.146% of relevant scientists.

The American Association for the Advancement of Science, the world's largest general scientific society with more than 130,000 members and over 262 affiliated societies and academies of science including over 10 million individuals, has made several statements and issued several press releases in support of evolution. The prestigious United States National Academy of Sciences, which provides science advice to the nation, has published several books supporting evolution and criticising creationism and intelligent design.

In the January 16–17 2006 edition of the official Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, University of Bologna evolutionary biology Professor Fiorenzo Facchini wrote an article agreeing with the judge's ruling in Kitzmiller v. Dover and stating that intelligent design was unscientific. Jesuit Father George Coyne, former director of the Vatican Observatory, has also denounced intelligent design.

Not sure why we even have this thread. Creationism vs Evolution is like arguing that Earth is flat vs round.
 
carolinajazz said:
...look, how many "different" theories are there amongst palaeontologists as to how the Dinosaurs disappeared....a half a dozen or so, at least?
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"How the dinosuars disappeared" isn't a big enough topic to merit being a theory, so technically, none.

The consensus is that the primary event was the meteor.

carolinajazz said:
That's all I'm saying. Yes, they disappeared suddenly. That they suddenly appear in the fossil record unconnected to any fossil ancestors, and also disappear without leaving connecting fossil links, is evidence against the view that such animals gradually evolved over millions of years of time.
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There are fossil links to the beginning of the dinosaurs. There are still dinosuars living today (we call them birds).

carolinajazz said:
Thus, the fossil record does not support the evolution theory. Instead, it harmonizes with the Bible’s view of creative acts of God.
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Not in the slightest.
 
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