MVP
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Here's an altered Ken Ham illustration.
Why you showing this idiot's diagram? Delusional drawing with no value whatsoever.
Science vs. Creationism
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Why you showing this idiot's diagram? Delusional drawing with no value whatsoever.
PearlWatson
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Supposed "vestigials" aren't examples of gaining features...they are examples of losing features
It needs to be more complex to support the theory.
MVP
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Says who?
Fishsticks
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This thread is exhausting.
Fishsticks
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I did read 1/2 of a page BTW so my opinion is qualified.
MVP
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Vestigial organs prove organism changes through numerous generations which happened due to environmental or other influences. Which hammers nail into coffin of creationism delusion as according to "creation" belief God made humans just the way they are today.
Not when you understand the meaning of the word "historical".
PearlWatson
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Jerry Bergman, Ph.D., Biology
There ain't any "vestigial" organs in humans, but even if there were they would support genetic entropy which "creationists" believe in.
"Creationists" say all life is going through mutation loss (genetic entropy), including humans.
carolinajazz
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FOR many years various organs of the human body were called “vestigial” by evolutionists, that is, the last vestiges of organs that supposedly once had a use, but were no longer needed because of the claimed advance up the evolutionary ladder.
Of interest in this regard is the small gland that is shaped like a pinecone and hence called the “pineal” gland. Though it is located near the center of the brain, it is not part of the brain. “Until very recently” it was thought that “the pineal in man served no biologic purpose and was merely a vestige,” reported the journal Hospital Practice.
Now the pineal has been shown “to possess a unique ability to produce melatonin.” This is a substance that affects the brain, the reproductive system, as well as the pituitary, adrenal and thyroid glands.
Scientists believe that in man the pineal gland “exerts a control over the body, specifically by regulating the body clock.” The pineal does this evidently by secreting various chemicals. Thus it is believed that the pineal gland may chemically supervise many of the involuntary activities of the human body, such as helping to make body temperatures increase during the daytime and decrease at night.
Another gland long thought to be useless is the thymus. In an article entitled “The ‘Useless’ Gland That Guards Our Health,” Reader’s Digest stated: “For at least 2000 years, doctors have puzzled over the function of a pinkish-grey bit of tissue lying just below the neck and behind the breastbone—the thymus gland. . Modern physicians came to regard it, like the appendix, as a useless, vestigial organ which had lost its original purpose, if indeed it ever had one.
“In the last few years, however, the dogged detective work of a small band of Americans, Britons, Australians and Swedes have cracked the thymus enigma. These men have proved that, far from being useless, the thymus is really the master gland that regulates the intricate immunity system which protects us against infectious diseases. .
But is the thymus the only organ regulating our immunity system? Recent experiments have led researchers to believe that the appendix, tonsils and adenoids [once these too were tagged as vestigial] may also figure in the antibody responses.
...however, there does seem to be one "vestigial" organ clearly discovered in one of our posters who frequents this thread! He goes by the handle of "AKMVP".....and according to reputable authorities the vestigial organ possessed by him is his BRAIN!
So as not to get an infraction, rather that post what they have discovered through there studies, I will just direct you to a site that perfectly describes his condition, so you can hear it for yourself!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siEfy0ThOSY
MVP
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LOL, you guys crack me up. We talked about in evolution thread now you coming back again with same nonsense?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_vestigiality
PearlWatson
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You shouldn't be surprised that we have the same arguments against claims of "vestigial" organs every time you bring it up.
MVP
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I guess because you guys are blinded by your faith and ignore the EVIDENCE.
MVP
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Creationists as well believe in hundreds of other ridiculous things. Does not make it true.
Genetic entropy by Sanford was long ago shattered to pieces.
Long article for those interested:
https://letterstocreationists.wordpress.com/stan-4/
carolinajazz
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...I agree! But those of us who observe and believe in a Divine Creator....will not give up the fight to suede-intellectuals who have no leg to stand on and want us to except and believe the most pathetic hoax ever perpetuated in human history!
carolinajazz
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Isn't it strange how suspicious you are about all that is recorded in the Bible as fact and yet how ready you are to swallow all the theories of scientists, which they admit are only theories and which are continually being proved wrong!
And as for man’s being just full of vestigial organs, there was a time when physiologists held that there were some 180 vestigial organs in the human body but today only a handful are mentioned, and many doctors now refuse to term any organs vestigial. Just because man does not know the function of an organ does not make it vestigial. As one professor expressed it: “He would be a rash man indeed who would now assert that any part of the human body is useless.”
MVP
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0.14% vs 99.86%. You think you have a chance?
MVP
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Beauty of science is that it is unbiased. Science does not care who's theory it is - creationist, science fiction writer, blonde with no education or biologist. Science evaluates evidence, facts, data, experiments and makes unbiased conclusion. And conclusion is simple - Evolution is a fact, Bible is fiction.
