David Stern
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I would love to know how 1984 is less relevent then 2004. Because it isn't.
Screw the Utes, BSU will be a more fun rivalry anyways.
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I would love to know how 1984 is less relevent then 2004. Because it isn't.
gregbroncs
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A completely different set of rules were in place in 84. Besides are you forgetting Utah also has 2008.
7StraightIsGreat
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You're so willfully blind that it's sad. The Mountain West era is only entering it's 12th year. Everything that's gone on during that time is fairly relevant to what we see happening in present day. However, most BYU fans really hate to admit that. They hate to admit that because since the inception of the Mountain, Utah has been the better football program. Period.
Sure, many of the numbers are close: They've split 8 conference titles evenly between the two schools and in 11 Mountain West head-to-head meetings Utah only holds a slim 6-to-5 record against BYU, but everything tips in Utah's favor once you add in the two BCS Births for Utah (and 2 BCS victories) compared to BYU's ZERO and Utah's 9 game bowl winning streak while during that same time BYU's had fairly mediocre bowl showings with losses to teams like Tulane, Marshall, Louisville, Cal and Arizona.
In looking at those numbers, it seems so silly that BYU fans still try to push some sort of superiority agenda on Utah fans. Those days came and went after both teams left the WAC for the MWC and anybody with half a brain is able to admit that. But then again, I'm still searching for a BYU fan with half a brain.
CONAN
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It was a Ute player who said that so you can go ask them at your next drop-and-gobble session.That may be true, but for the life of me I can't figure out how BYU gets to the Rose Bowl to face Utah......
David Stern
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I'll give you 2008, but 2004 is about as relevent as 1984 still.
David Stern
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1984 IS just as relevent as your 2004 BCS win. I'll give you that Utah has mostly had a better MWC run, but only because BYU had some of its worst years during that stretch. Utah was a completely different program in 04 as was BYU in 84. I'll give you guys that 2008 has some major effect on whats happening today, but 2004 has about the some affect as 1984 no matter how much you want to deny it.
Also, if BYU fans only have half a brain, why is it that half of your fan base now has a complex because Max Hall made some comments?
SaltyDawg
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Utah has the same A.D. and most of the same coaches, running the same offense and the same defense they ran in 2004. What is so "completely different" about Utah's program today?
And nobody cares about Max Hall's comments either. He can fade into irrelevancy while the Utes move into the national scene.
Ute fans are carrying less and less about BYU every day.
As soon as I saw this thread I knew there would be a Salty sighting.
I'll believe this when you all stop posting in threads that were designed for nothing more than enticing Utah fans into an endless argument that ends with the Utah fan stating BYU is irrelevant and means nothing to you and how you've moved on.
I'll believe this when you all stop posting in threads that were designed for nothing more than enticing Utah fans into an endless argument that ends with the Utah fan stating BYU is irrelevant and means nothing to you and how you've moved on.
David Stern
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This.
David Stern
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This.
SaltyDawg
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Uh, this thread was started by a bittet BYU fan, not a Ute fan. And this thread was a couple days old and a couple pages long before I replied. Keep telling yourself Ute fans are the ones obsessed though, whatever floats your boat.
7StraightIsGreat
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It's not that Utah has "mostly" had a better MWC run, they've flat-out been the better program. And as far as trying to get a pass for the Crowton years, I'm not buying that. You're team sucked, Utah didn't, and they beat up on you a few times. I don't see Utah fans in here asking for a pass for the Fassel years. It just so happens that your crappy years came during the Urban Meyer era. Utah had some amazing teams during that time. Even if BYU was better under Crowton, it's not a given that they would have been the better team.
Not quite. Whittingham was a major presence in 2004 and obviously that presence has only grown. Players from that team are now coaches, giving the current players a tie-in to what happened 6 years ago. My point is, there's still a pretty big influence from 2004 surrounding Utah. As the years go by, it will become less and less, but it's silly to say that it's only as valid as 1984 is currently for the BYU program.
Not sure where you're going on this one. I think Max's comments were funny. Escpecially considering he didn't say them until after he knew he'd never have to face Utah again. I'm not offended by what he said. He's supposed to hate Utah. If he didn't, he wouldn't be doing his job as starting QB for the BYU Cougars.
But post in it you did defending Utah against the raving comments of a bitter BYU fan. Obsessed indeed. Clearly.
SaltyDawg
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Yes, after a couple days and several posts by several BYU fans, I made one post pointing out that Utah is not a "completely different" program than the 2004 Utah program.
BYU fans continue to be delusional...
7StraightIsGreat
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I've got to +1 Salty on this one. This thread was made by a BYU fan to begin with. BYU fans are starting to act pretty strange. Some of the comments in this thread only reinforce that idea.
It's getting to be a little too much for me. Plus, BYU just isn't going to be that relevant this year anyway. They'll most likely get out to a 2-and-2 record and be pretty non-threatening for the rest of the season.
In other words: Yawn. Wake me up when it's rivalry week.
It's getting to be a little too much for me. Plus, BYU just isn't going to be that relevant this year anyway. They'll most likely get out to a 2-and-2 record and be pretty non-threatening for the rest of the season.
In other words: Yawn. Wake me up when it's rivalry week.
Gyp Rosetti
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As an east coaster I can objectively say that BYU hasn't been relevant since the 80's. Utah on the other hand has.
Chad Feldheimer
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What? BYU fans are way more egotistical than Utah fans, even though they haven't done anything nationally in the last 25 years. "Quest for Perfection" anyone?
What games are BYU sticking to that they can't schedule Utah? Northern Iowa or Tulane?
I've avoided this thread up to this point because I think the OP is a fool, but I can't stand by any longer. I will always hate the Utes, but to be a BYU fan and to honestly say that BSU is going to be a better rivalry is just pure stupidity. If not for the Utah/BYU game, I probably wouldn't care to watch any of the season. Seriously. Hating Utah and 1-upping them is more fun than actually cheering for the Cougs.
In short, I hate Utah for leaving, and it will never be the same. Clearly.
In short, I hate Utah for leaving, and it will never be the same. Clearly.
If the Utes come in 6th place in the PAC 12 this could be possible. Right? Or will the seedings vs. bowl games change with the added teams to the PAC?