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Shams: Utah and Lauri expected to agree to long term deal

This is a rough outline of what the most favorable contract for the Jazz would look like: FO years 4 and 5 you can divvy up the money any way you want,.

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KqWIN said:
This is a rough outline of what the most favorable contract for the Jazz would look like: FO years 4 and 5 you can divvy up the money any way you want,.

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I think it is flat from year 3 on. Saw some reporting from Yossi Gozlan or something.
 
Good contract. No player option. I would have liked a slightly better discount for the 24M but does another 12M off the deal make it that much more movable or flexible... nah. Our space this offseason is pretty useless at this point. Glad this got done and we can now ponder what is next.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think it is flat from year 3 on. Saw some reporting from Yossi Gozlan or something.
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A difference we have in numbers is that he has 30% of the cap for year two whereas I have a 8% raise...I'm not sure whose right, but it's basically the same number. The last 3 years would have to average out to be $49-50M a year.
 
I’ll play devils advocate here.

Why pay a potential #2 option on a contending team the Max?

Hope we don’t have too much tie up in Lauri for when we’re eventually ready to contend.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Good contract. No player option. I would have liked a slightly better discount for the 24M but does another 12M off the deal make it that much more movable or flexible... nah. Our space this offseason is pretty useless at this point. Glad this got done and we can now ponder what is next.
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Yeah. Cap space is pretty worthless - unless the Jazz use it to offload one of their own guys as well.

Ingram for Collins eats up $10 million in space, but is a clear upgrade for the Jazz and still helps the Pelicans financial situation. I’m expecting some sort of deal like that instead of a pure salary dump.

Clarkson or Collins (or both) could fit nicely into a deal like that.
 
One of my least favorite discussion is #1 option vs #2 option talk etc. Jayson Tatum was just the best player on a championship team. Like Lauri doesn't score that much less than him... assists are more slanted to Tatum... but its weird when guys get dinged for not being a traditional ball in hand volume scorer... when its harder/more rare to do it the way Lauri does and he can grow a bit.

He's worth every penny. If we find enough players better than Lauri that are worth paying the max we can max them... its like beyond a champagne problem.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
One of my least favorite discussion is #1 option vs #2 option talk etc. Jayson Tatum was just the best player on a championship team. Like Lauri doesn't score that much less than him... assists are more slanted to Tatum... but its weird when guys get dinged for not being a traditional ball in hand volume scorer... when its harder/more rare to do it the way Lauri does and he can grow a bit.

He's worth every penny. If we find enough players better than Lauri that are worth paying the max we can max them... its like beyond a champagne problem.
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That, and let's say the time comes where we have a superstar we want to throw the max at. It'll likely be on the latter end of Lauri's contract, by which point Lauri's annual salary will be taking up a much smaller % of the cap than it currently will.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
One of my least favorite discussion is #1 option vs #2 option talk etc. Jayson Tatum was just the best player on a championship team. Like Lauri doesn't score that much less than him... assists are more slanted to Tatum... but its weird when guys get dinged for not being a traditional ball in hand volume scorer... when its harder/more rare to do it the way Lauri does and he can grow a bit.

He's worth every penny. If we find enough players better than Lauri that are worth paying the max we can max them... its like beyond a champagne problem.
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While I definitely agree with you on the whole #1, #2 option discourse....I do think we get to enthralled with uniqueness. Uniqueness is part of what makes a player good/valuable, but it's not uniqueness that wins you games. I feel like whenever an honest conversation is brought up about just how good Lauri is we circumvent the conversation to how unique he is instead of how good he is. It doesn't really matter who is more unique between Tatum and Markannen....what matters is how good they are.

I also don't see anyone saying we should have extended him vs not extending him at all. I think the real conversation is trading him vs not trading him. This is a forum that talked about the desire to tank all day everyday. Of course there is some tank+Lauri middle ground, but there is no doubt that having a really good is at odds with tanking.
 
The Midnight said:
I’ll play devils advocate here.

Why pay a potential #2 option on a contending team the Max?

Hope we don’t have too much tie up in Lauri for when we’re eventually ready to contend.
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Because there are different kind of maxes. From year 3 to 5, Lauri`s deal will be below the 30% max. Most other contenders have at least one player earning a 35% max. We actually have no way of paying anyone the 35% max unless we trade for someone already on it.

If we are ready to contend i 3-4 years, Lauri will be on a deal earning somewhere around 25-28% of the cap. Having a second option earn that is absolutely no problem at all.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
Because there are different kind of maxes. From year 3 to 5, Lauri`s deal will be below the 30% max. Most other contenders have at least one player earning a 35% max. We actually have no way of paying anyone the 35% max unless we trade for someone already on it.

If we are ready to contend i 3-4 years, Lauri will be on a deal earning somewhere around 25-28% of the cap. Having a second option earn that is absolutely no problem at all.
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True.
 
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