I gave the warning. Your loss. Have fun debating yourself you hack.
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I gave the warning. Your loss. Have fun debating yourself you hack.
I don't see any particular loss on my part. If this is a flounce by you, I'm OK with that. You don't bring much debate to begin with.
The Thriller
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Don't get your panties in a knot. Just stop. No one is seriously advocating the senseless beating down and abuse of kids. Gain a sense of humor, tough guy.
But I would endorse what Gojazz did with his child. I believe more than 50 % of these social/mental disorders could be resolved with parents getting involved. Whether is be with more structure, discipline, TLC, a religious organization, a sports organization, some sort of musical or art organization... So many options when it comes to childhood. The worst thing IMO to do is to force pills down their throats, declare them broken and give them excuses to fail, (oh I have ADD so I can't do x), and let them rot in the schools without being involved in anything constructive or having any structure.
I've seen these cases so many times.
What!? Parenting?????!!!123 Easy there tuff guy...SMH
The Thriller
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So many parents just don't parent their kids. They treat them as they would coworkers and friends. That's not what they need folks.
Being involved in both serving at a restaurant and working in public education, I've seen this time after time after time.
So many parents (at least half) ask their kids what they want to drink. Of course, children will go for the most unhealthy drink/expensive on possible/whatever their parents ordered. You'd be surprised how many kids (under the age of 8) order Coke. Seriously?
Kids already have problems sitting still. Loading them up with caffeine? Not a great idea.
I've noticed a huge difference between that, letting kids have full reign, and those families where the parents offer OPTIONS. Even better, HEALTHY options. milk or orange juice? Giving these kids structure and treating them as CHILDREN goes a long way.
You'd be surprised how many parents just let their kids run around, trash the restaurant, do whatever they want....
The perfect example was this young family viisiting from Jersey. While eating, their young child had spilled a few things on the floor. It wasn't real dirty. I later saw their father picking up the crumbs off the floor. I went over there and told him to not worry about it and that I would sweep it up. He said that it was too embarrassing. The father, took pride in his work. The parents, did not let their kids do whatever they wanted. They were *gasp* actually involved!
Interestingly enough, their children were the most orderly children I've ever seen at the restaurant. Gee, I wonder why
In public education, it's even more obvious. The children with structure, have much more respect, are success oriented, and actually give a damn.
Those others without parenting, without discipline, without structure, WITH all of these excuses err social/learning disorders, are problems. Then, they have excuses to not be involved in any sport, any organization, any learning opportunity because ber her her they're disabled and will always need to be "handed out" something in life. They can't actually STRIVE for it and ACCOMPLISH anything because of x disorder.
Parenting isn't as complicated as so many of you want it to be.
Like a coach to a sports team, children need to know what's expected, that you actually care, need to have structure, and need to be taught to strive. If one truly has a learning disorder, don't just wave the white flag and surrender. But FIGHT.
One last example, this friend of mine was diagnosed with two significant learning disorders. One, involved her ability to focus and read. Difficult to sit and study when you struggle to read! Instead of stuffing her face with pills or waving the white flag, she fought through it. She decided she would do anything for her HS dilpoma. She and her parents worked together. She talked to teachers, who would closely with her. She got it.
She's now about done with college.
Awesome.
It's amazing what can be accomplished with a little mental toughness, structure, and hard work.
Being involved in both serving at a restaurant and working in public education, I've seen this time after time after time.
So many parents (at least half) ask their kids what they want to drink. Of course, children will go for the most unhealthy drink/expensive on possible/whatever their parents ordered. You'd be surprised how many kids (under the age of 8) order Coke. Seriously?
Kids already have problems sitting still. Loading them up with caffeine? Not a great idea.
I've noticed a huge difference between that, letting kids have full reign, and those families where the parents offer OPTIONS. Even better, HEALTHY options. milk or orange juice? Giving these kids structure and treating them as CHILDREN goes a long way.
You'd be surprised how many parents just let their kids run around, trash the restaurant, do whatever they want....
The perfect example was this young family viisiting from Jersey. While eating, their young child had spilled a few things on the floor. It wasn't real dirty. I later saw their father picking up the crumbs off the floor. I went over there and told him to not worry about it and that I would sweep it up. He said that it was too embarrassing. The father, took pride in his work. The parents, did not let their kids do whatever they wanted. They were *gasp* actually involved!
Interestingly enough, their children were the most orderly children I've ever seen at the restaurant. Gee, I wonder why
In public education, it's even more obvious. The children with structure, have much more respect, are success oriented, and actually give a damn.
Those others without parenting, without discipline, without structure, WITH all of these excuses err social/learning disorders, are problems. Then, they have excuses to not be involved in any sport, any organization, any learning opportunity because ber her her they're disabled and will always need to be "handed out" something in life. They can't actually STRIVE for it and ACCOMPLISH anything because of x disorder.
Parenting isn't as complicated as so many of you want it to be.
Like a coach to a sports team, children need to know what's expected, that you actually care, need to have structure, and need to be taught to strive. If one truly has a learning disorder, don't just wave the white flag and surrender. But FIGHT.
One last example, this friend of mine was diagnosed with two significant learning disorders. One, involved her ability to focus and read. Difficult to sit and study when you struggle to read! Instead of stuffing her face with pills or waving the white flag, she fought through it. She decided she would do anything for her HS dilpoma. She and her parents worked together. She talked to teachers, who would closely with her. She got it.
She's now about done with college.
Awesome.
It's amazing what can be accomplished with a little mental toughness, structure, and hard work.
Treat a child like what? Tell me, where did I say I would treat an autism-spectrum child in any specific manner that would give you cause to weep?
I tried to warn him back into normal debate and actually come up with why he disagreed instead of drama responses. Didn't work so now I have an ignore list.
You'll find that Unibrow is actually one of the biggest trolls on this site.
Im open for talking with anyone as long as they actually try to talk instead of sensationalise. One Brow stopped that. So I ignored him.
That was actually a pretty good rant, and I agree with most of it. However, while I applaud your friend and those who can just work through it, there are those of us who simply can't work through it. I've often wondered what causes homeless people to become homeless, or to sit on the side of the road with a cardboard sign begging for change. I've always thought, "They didn't grow up thinking 'I am going to be a BUM when I get older!'" -- so what happened? Of course, there are a lot of factors, but I imagine a lot of it is personality traits, mental disorders, and plain old bad habits that couldn't be broken. Clearly, these people couldn't just work through it, and I wonder what some of them would be like today if they had had some of the medical advancements that we enjoy. (or mock) Personally, I will never mock anyone who takes a pill to help them succeed. If there was an anti-lazy pill out there, I'd be the first in line to buy it, and I'd snort that **** like it was my job. /sigh
Anyhow, I'm done. LOL @ Indians or something.
If you tried to surmount autism-spectrum disorder with discipline, the child would suffer horribly. Autism is not ADHD.
In other words, I diesagree with Scat regularly.
I followed the conversation where you dragged it. Bringing in the banal and irrelevant notion of parental discipline into a discussion of autism-spectrum disorders was sensationalization.
Define discipline. You seem to be taking in a very specific direction.
I thought that the original point was that "Autism" is not Autism. It's over-diagnosed (although not nearly as badly as ADHD).
That was the original point. Bad parenting and no discipline are often just given a pass under some type of disaiblity. Not saying those disabilities do not exist becasue they pdviously do but alot of cases are just crap. For proof just look at the sky rocketing rate of ADHD, Autism...cases over the last few years.
There are certainloy high-functioning varities of autism, where people don't need to be treated as if they had a disability. Does that make it over-diagnosed? Are you (or Sca5) saying that of the various markers used to diagnose autism, we need to apply more of them for a diagnosis, or apply them differently? Which markers?
Is the skyrocketing rate a case of worse diagnosis or better recognition?
I don't know many details on ADHD. Autism is associated with things like genetic markers and increased nerve counts in the cerebral cortex. You think those are caused by bad parenting and no discipline?
I think they are saying that the number of cases of "autism" is a function of expanding the list of markers and not requiring any consistency in observation of or interpretation of those "markers", or in other words that the markers we use may not actually relate to the pathology or cause or indicate some plausible "cure". It's a huge windfall for the psychiatric industry as well as Big Pharma to do business this way.
https://ww1.cpa-apc.org/Publications/Archives/CJP/2003/september/tidmarsh.asp
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